tripledat LE announced, €149

Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:59 pm

Yes you can save the Project. But I am assuming he meant save as...

Post by **garyb** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:29 am

well, i didn't have a lot of time to fool with it again, but it does seem like only one routing setup can be saved. hopefully, this will be expanded(infinite routing window saves, like in sfp)...
for mastering, this should be fine. for mixing, not so good...

Janni · Post by **Janni** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:24 am

Hello out there !

I´m new in this forum, so first: nice to be here !!!
At the moment I have SFP 4.0 and SDK running on my P4 2,4GHz computer (512KB/533MHz; ASUS P4T533C MoBo; 512MB PC800-40 RAMBUS; Matrox Millenium G450 DH 32MB; 1xScope Classic I/O + 1xXTC). I have nearly no problems (sometimes SFP crashes while loading BIG BIG projects, but thats all ...).
TDAT LE seems a little different ...
The concept is beautifull if this sequencer gets some additional features in the future (e.g. 32bit support, sync, bpm grid, midi, pan automation, multiple routing settings ...)!!! Really lovely !!!
But at the moment I have some problems with the existing version and I don´t know if it´s an installation error. Perhaps you can help or you have the same ...
Loading devices in the various mixers is no problem but if I try to load a device directly into the routing-environment TDAT crashes.
Sometimes I get crackles while recording (I´m sure it´s no sync problem).
The playback produces crackles while moving TDAT windows (not when using LIVE or LOGIC).
Some recorded samples can´t be resized in the arrange window. Sometimes this problem disappears if the files are reloaded again.
What do you think about this? I thought of lowering ULLI settings but I found no control panel ... With SFP I use 4ms@44,1kHz with no problems. Is there a cset entry which can be edited?
All in all I really would like to do my final mix and mastering with 8 recorded busses (32bit files would be very nice)!

Greetings from Germany and a happy new year to all of you!!

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:35 pm

Since apparently it's 16 bit files only, I'am holding my money waiting for the full version.

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:18 am

On 2004-12-21 18:50, Shayne White wrote:
I just wish they'd include more info regarding Osiris. I don't know anything about it. What plugins are included, and what can it do?

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:25 am

Hello Shayne, and all the others,

i think a good way to get detailed information about OSIRIS is it's PDF-manual.

If there is anyone interested to get it so please write to my email : rb@creamware.de and i will send the manual.

Moreover we will upload it to our HP's downloadarea

cheers
ralf

On 2004-12-21 18:50, Shayne White wrote:
I just wish they'd include more info regarding Osiris. I don't know anything about it. What plugins are included, and what can it do?

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:29 am

Hi Ralf...
Excuse me but,how we must wait to a plug-in version of triple dat working on win xp?
And i can upgrade from my useless TripleDatLE to the plugin version,and save money?
Thanx,and regards...

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:22 pm

Hi KWILD,

i try my best to answer to everybody as a part of creamware and i do not feel adressed with this :

"and im really angry with creamwhore!!!!!!!!!!! "

All the best
Ralf

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kwild · Post by **kwild** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:53 am

Ok u have all the reasons!
Excuse me but i've waste 147 euros for a piece of useless software...and most of that waste of money it's caused by the fact that your company gives to us very poor informations about their products and of course...no demos!!!
So do u think i must be happy for that?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:48 am

It might have been confusing to some people because as shown on their website, the tripledat routing window looks exactly like the SFP routing window.

I'm thinking tripledat should be a part of VDAT. Neither product seems particularly exciting on it's own. Am I missing something?

I think the lack of demos is due to the ongoing battle with people who crack the software. Once again a company feels that protecting it's assets is more important than customer satisfaction.

[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2005-01-08 09:59 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:39 am

On 2005-01-08 09:48, braincell wrote:
...
I'm thinking tripledat should be a part of VDAT. Neither product seems particularly exciting on it's own. Am I missing something?
...

well, there's the integrated audio/midi sequencer approach, represented by Cubase, Logic and Sonar etc.
If your workflow fits with one of those, then VDAT or Triple simply aren't your cup of tea.

but it's not the only way of doing things - as you may easily guess by all those Fostex, Roland, Korg, Yamaha etc multitrackers.
For those people VDAT is a brilliant solution with a very competetive price - it just isn't marketed appropriately...

In that context I see some similiarities to the NOAH 'product' - CWA seems to expect everyone automatically acknowledges the technical merits and benefits by simply introducing the products by fact sheets - more or less.

There has been a big 'band revival' in recent years with the need for 'classic' keyboard sounds like the Moog and Hammond - they added some trancy, spacey stuff, supplied excellent audio capabilities and expected to be welcomed by an audience that hardly ever heard the name 'Creamware' - let alone associated a 'brand' image.

VDAT is marketed accordingly as the solution to replace real world Adats - which it probably can.
I don't have a single Adat, so does it concern me ? No.
Wrong, 2 years after I know the fact of VDATs existance I'm very happy to buy it, because it IS the right solution for my personal preferences...

If they had written from the beginning that VDAT is the way to go for those interested in a system independent multitracker, I would have bought it immediately - for the full price instead of choosing it as my 50% registration bonus

So, it's not the products, but their presentation - which is kind of sad, but probably hard to change.

Though I don't exactly appreciate his literate style, I fully agree with kwild about the necessity of higher information quality about recent releases like Triple LE and the new version of Osiris.
Which data and file formats and in which way do they differ from their predecessors.

I'm highly interested in the Restore package because I do a lot with vinyl, but since I already have the original versions I wouldn't spend the cash for a repackaged product just because it runs under 2K or XP

cheers, tom

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:39 pm

So,im not alone.....!!!

Creamware,please you need to change your polictics...this isn't the first time that we talk about that,here on Z....

http://www.kwild.com
http://www.balentia.com

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sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:55 pm

Personally, I can't see any point in using tripleDAT. A normal wave editor like Wave Lab must be better - or even the MAGIX music studio (£49)

Perhaps creamware should work on what they are best at - synth emulations - effects - any do a decent SAMPLER like Kontakt or Halion that uses a mixture of DSP/RAM/HD streaming !!!!!!!!!!

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:56 pm

Personally, I can't see any point in using tripleDAT. A normal wave editor like Wave Lab must be better - or even the MAGIX music studio (£49)

Perhaps creamware should work on what they are best at - synth emulations - effects - any do a decent SAMPLER like Kontakt or Halion that uses a mixture of DSP/RAM/HD streaming !!!!!!!!!!

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:26 am

That could be the killer app of the SFP besides the modular/flexor combo. I would like to see a sampler which is also a synthesizer and does resynthesis, perhaps like the nueron but less expensive.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:18 pm

you may have noticed that the interesting aspects of the Neuron's sound control result from a different encoding of 'audio'- models (the Wavelet transform if memory serves me).

A very unique approach (with heavy demands in math knowledge) - yet it's output 'sounds' rather humble in comparison to what one is used from the top SFP synths (my personal impression from the demos).
Imho there's not a single sound on a Neuron that cannot be produced elseway, the only difference is the 'live' played depth of modulation (due to it's superior controls).

It's an important instrument, though, but I'm afraid people will just cut and paste these sounds from other sources, instead of supporting a new technology.

There are some (not so welcome) similiarities to CWA's business results (imho).

cheers, Tom

shizuku · Post by **shizuku** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:33 pm

Hello,

Like Janni i had problems too and still talking to CW to solve it. If we don't find a solution i demand a refund.

But this is what found:
Wenn installing Triplele on my system where Pulsar was already running, the installation went well. Wenn i started up Triplele (after closing Pulsar, duh??) and entered the routing window i only got crashes wenn pulling effect into the window.
All in all i did a total fresh installation of XP with Servicepack 2 in standardpc mode, followed the pc optimization from CW and had ripped all cards out of my system not related to CW, disabled all functions on my mainboard (Asus P4P800 deluxe) to assure that the CW cards (i got a Pulsar 2 and a Scope SRB) got a irq that they had for themselves. After doing all this Triplele still crashes when loading a effect device into the routing window.
I'm waiting for CW now for a reaction and hopefully a solution.....

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:21 am

Regarding the Osiris XP manual, it is online now, but you probably had noticed this already. For those who hadn't:
http://www.cwaudio.de/download/manuals/ ... RIS_en.pdf

Any experiences yet with the product? I'm interested, but I just wonder what dsp-algorithm CW used/bought from Algorithmix... Is it the same as used in the SoundLaundry product? (which costs less than half of the OsirisXP package), or is it the Scratchfree/Noisefree algo, which costs about 2500 euro at Algorithmix.
Based on the pricing of the original Algorithmix products I don't have a clue... do you?
Cheers,
Rob

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:49 am

same questions here

the 80-bit precision thingy made me wonder - I could swear the same was mentioned in the original Osiris docs. And it's a math format well known for native programming...

cheers, tom

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:09 am

On 2005-01-12 05:49, astroman wrote:
same questions here
the 80-bit precision thingy made me wonder - I could swear the same was mentioned in the original Osiris docs. And it's a math format well known for native programming...

cheers, tom

hence the /XP addition in the name Osiris/XP? The main (80-bit double float) algo just runs on the native XP/CPU platform??? Don't know a lot about the Analog Devices DSP's, but the 21065L used by CW can do 32 bit integer and 32 bit float. It just makes me wonder...