Sonic Timeworks : Classic Plate released

deejaysly · Post by **deejaysly** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:21 pm

I think you expanded a bit too much Warp.

The weak dollar is a feasible reason but....

I think it would be unfair to penalise current and future customers, especially those that have already purchased the P100 legitimately, by raising the price on the strength of other peoples half successful attempts to purchase using stolen credit cards.

Surely there are ways that STW cover their ass in such situations because of it being such a common crime???

Do I sound harsh???? Somebody turn me!

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:23 pm

I'll pay $150/device pair easy. I'd even pay $150 per individual device. Don't sell yourself short.

Sam

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:27 pm

Let me add, what ever price you choose, I'll be buying the Ambient - been waiting for it for months.

/dave

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:16 pm

On 2004-11-06 17:21, deejaysly wrote:
... by raising the price on the strength of other peoples half successful attempts to purchase using stolen credit cards.
...
Do I sound harsh???? Somebody turn me!

I'll try

a business has to cover all costs - and those credit card frauds probably were unexpected.
At least I'm totally surprised that someone who's (usually) registered at CWA takes this risk. This may not be provable in front of a court, but is at least some hazzle - and that for 99 bucks

Warp is just honest to reveal some of the reasons, he doesn't necessarily need to

Another point that deserves support - and hey, that's not charity - the stuff is still cheapo for what it sounds, isn't it ?
Sony just released some verbs for 500-998

cheers, Tom

Aries · Post by **Aries** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:26 am

If you raise the price too much it might discourage some people from buying your quality reverbs.

There are plenty of alternatives for potential customers:-

1 use VST or DXi reverbs.

2 use external hardware reverbs of which some are quality and some are also expensive but new reverbs like Behringers RV2496 may be changing the future.

If you were to get all four of your reverb bundles how does it compare to the price of the hardware and software alternatives?.

Maybe a 20% increase to 119 might be more appropriate.

A discount scheme for subsequent purchases after the first order is made with a
valid credit card.It would mean that someone could not purchase all you reverbs at once but could discourage the use of stolen credit cards.

Regards

Aries

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:28 pm

Just ordered plate 1 1/2 days ago and no reply.No wonder you can't sell them.

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:18 pm

On 2004-11-08 13:28, Music Manic wrote:
Just ordered plate 1 1/2 days ago and no reply.No wonder you can't sell them.

now THAT is exactly why I'm not ordering...
so many bad experiences, unsure customers - I just don't want that - makes me nervous.
If I give my creditcard information to start some sort of a transaction, I want to be sure things go well. One way to accomplish this is by sending some sort of reply and tell the customer what he can expect and when (preferrebly done even before the transaction).
All this has nothing to do with the trust I have in the reverbs. I DO believe they are of outstanding quality. but hey, if my BMW dealer would suck, would I want to go out and buy such a great car from him? No way..

Rob

bbrian · Post by **bbrian** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:07 pm

You guys need to calm down a bit! Of course you will get the registration info, it just takes a few days. If you read this thread you would see that 90% of people complain about not getting a reply, and then get one 2-3 days later. Just be patient...it is annoying to wait but this should not discourage you from buying. I had to wait 3 days total but this is the fault of Timeworks I think, not Warp69. The CD-100 more than makes up for the wait...

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:35 pm

I agree, it's worth the wait even when STW loses your order (!); the products are excellent and it's quite common for a small company to have slow turn-around time. If you want mass-marketed shrinkwrapped pablum there are plenty of places to buy it. STW sells quality products, and I, for one, would be happy to pay $149 and wait a week for another fantastic 'verb.

However I'm not sure about separating the Hall and Chamber/Room 'verbs. Maybe I'm alone here but I would have thought room, chamber and hall algos would be all part of one plugin. Is there really that much of a difference between each of the room/chamber/hall algos, Warp?

Cheers,

Johann

Post by **garyb** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:32 pm

i ordered saturday night. i got a reply today and downloaded no problem. the website says 48 hrs. i don't think that the weekend can be expected to be included as sat and definitely sun is not considered a "business" day.....

go ahead and order. you'll get it.

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:50 am

My hesitation has nothing to do with the quality of warp69's reverbs. I think they're excelent. It's just that (imo) STW has lost some points of credibility. And yes, I agree, it most probably will be worth waiting, but call me paranoid, I hate waiting when I give my cc-details out of hand.
In the end it comes down to coping with my nervous mind and go buy the stuff.

Cheers,
Rob

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:24 am

a human has to recieve your cc details and then generate a key and download and send you an email. they're not set up to automatically generate keys and a download. if you bought a peice of hardware, it'd take a day or two....

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:30 am

On 2004-11-09 02:50, Rob van Berkel wrote:
... but call me paranoid, I hate waiting when I give my cc-details out of hand.
...

no need to - there are algorithms to generate fake card numbers, so one day yours (or mine) might be involved in a fraud without revealing any details...

Imho the STW 'shop system' is focused on native stuff (for obvious reasons), and we all know this distinctive little extra a CWA plugin needs.
Once the person in charge was informed it took only a couple of hours to send the keys (in my case) - and they asked for pardon that that the process isn't fully automated.

cheers, Tom

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:05 am

On 2004-11-09 03:24, garyb wrote:
a human has to recieve your cc details and then generate a key and download and send you an email. they're not set up to automatically generate keys and a download. if you bought a peice of hardware, it'd take a day or two....

Yes and all that human has to do is say "your payment is being processed".Then I'll feel my number is in correct hands.

Rob van Berkel · Post by **Rob van Berkel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:00 pm

On 2004-11-09 09:05, Music Manic wrote:
Yes and all that human has to do is say "your payment is being processed".Then I'll feel my number is in correct hands.

..but that's too much to ask I guess.
Btw I found this feature on planetz to change my name... guess I will call myself 'Paranoid'

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:34 pm

Hey,

As state before, everyone who makes a order will receive the reverbs, but sometime it can take a little longer than usual. Thats the reson for dual reverbs (and p100+cd100) for the same price.

@Blazesboylan : Normal reverb algorithms (native) have a early reflection engine which feeds a feedback network of some kind. You just change the early reflection pattern for different "algorithms" but the overall structure is the same. But not these reverbs (or other high-end hardware reverbs). They're different, very different. The structure is completely changed between the algorithms and I can therefore not combine them in a single plugin.

The Ambience/Inverse will be released on friday/saturday - Im working on some presets for both right now.

Cheers

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Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:57 pm

Ok
I just got it and downloaded it.
I was given a serial but the files I downloaded had no exe.
Where do I get registration number from?

Thanks

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:16 pm

that's what I meant with 'native focussed shop' - that serial is nonsense.
For simplicity you could email one of the 'Scope supporters' at STW (the names are upper in the thread) to just inform them about your purchase.
They will send you further instructions about the request string necessary etc.
It's no big deal, but someone has to take care of it.
Btw I got my keys on the weekend, so someone must have worked xtra hours...

and it took only half a day after they replied to my mail.

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:38 am

If you buy hardware you also never have to worry about it one day telling you that you are not authorized to be using it for no apparent reason.

On 2004-11-09 03:24, garyb wrote:
a human has to recieve your cc details and then generate a key and download and send you an email. they're not set up to automatically generate keys and a download. if you bought a peice of hardware, it'd take a day or two....

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:04 am

Could Timeworks add numbers to Creaware key?