I read on the internet that new sharc dsp are developed which are good for 32 bit algorithms and 100mhz.
Does anybody know if creamware is planning to release soundcards with the new sharc dsp chips in the near future.
Maybe this is the reason for their discount bundles.
W#ho has more information?
new sharc dsp boards ??
from an interview of Frank Hund, CW 'CEO' and founder in german Keys mag (April) :
... not only Intels and Motorolas, but also DSPs double their speed at regular intervals. A computer has to be exchanged every two years to be fully up to date. A current DSP design too is significantly faster than it was standard 2-3 years ago...
he goes on with importance of software design over GHZ and that they really care that their hardware continues to be competetive in technological terms.
nothing more but rumors
yet, but I'd bet there's something in the pipeline...
... not only Intels and Motorolas, but also DSPs double their speed at regular intervals. A computer has to be exchanged every two years to be fully up to date. A current DSP design too is significantly faster than it was standard 2-3 years ago...
he goes on with importance of software design over GHZ and that they really care that their hardware continues to be competetive in technological terms.
nothing more but rumors
yet, but I'd bet there's something in the pipeline...Hopfully they will have the same "upgrade politics" as Digidesign. Where you can give back you older Mix/farm card and upgrade to the new card for a certain amount of money. I think if "Digi" does it it that way it should be also executed on our platform in the same fashion... We´ll see.
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Don't dream too much.
Korg already smash lots on Oasys development but not getting a good result.
the TC and UAD-1 they have the annoying latency problem, but they have far better world class engineer So their programware are first class so that is why people loves it and disregar the latency also they have far more cash than creamware.
So stay real.
However, in the future (very soon) creamware will have to lower their DSP hardware price downl to half or even 1/3 due to the increase power of CPU today. In reality DSP won't make better sounds, the only difference is the software and the I/o. But the I/o system/Virtual analogo synths from creamware will stay cool for a while i suppose.
a 15DSP scope card, i suppose it's still the fastest(i might be wrong, 60mhz x 15=900mhz) DSP even compare to Protool HD(100mhz x 9=900mhz) UAD1(1G) Tcpowercre( maybe the same as UAD-1??sorry i'm not sure about its speed)
Maybe they are all at the same speed about 900mhz?? Maybe it's the limit for current DSP technology?
I might be wrong of all this but just like the Oasys developer said almost 4 years ago, CPU will eventually replace current DSPs.
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Korg already smash lots on Oasys development but not getting a good result.
the TC and UAD-1 they have the annoying latency problem, but they have far better world class engineer So their programware are first class so that is why people loves it and disregar the latency also they have far more cash than creamware.
So stay real.
However, in the future (very soon) creamware will have to lower their DSP hardware price downl to half or even 1/3 due to the increase power of CPU today. In reality DSP won't make better sounds, the only difference is the software and the I/o. But the I/o system/Virtual analogo synths from creamware will stay cool for a while i suppose.
a 15DSP scope card, i suppose it's still the fastest(i might be wrong, 60mhz x 15=900mhz) DSP even compare to Protool HD(100mhz x 9=900mhz) UAD1(1G) Tcpowercre( maybe the same as UAD-1??sorry i'm not sure about its speed)
Maybe they are all at the same speed about 900mhz?? Maybe it's the limit for current DSP technology?
I might be wrong of all this but just like the Oasys developer said almost 4 years ago, CPU will eventually replace current DSPs.
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No, i don't know.On 2002-06-07 14:17, subhuman wrote:
<i>also they have far more cash than creamware. </i>
Wow so you know the financial status of Creamware now?
but 60 people isn't a big company.
and Creamware is so young compare to the other 3 companies i mentioned.
If creamware has the same fincial status as those then it would be on the newpaper.
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What's the relevance of the amount of people working at CW?
There's only 16 people working at Clavia and just see how good (and popular) their stuff is.
And CW is already 10 years old!
Hurrah!
That Mhz adding stuff was hilarious btw
As for the whole DSP vs CPU debate, there have been numerous threads about this so you might want to do a search on those instead of just typing some random "facts".
There's only 16 people working at Clavia and just see how good (and popular) their stuff is.
And CW is already 10 years old!
Hurrah! That Mhz adding stuff was hilarious btw
As for the whole DSP vs CPU debate, there have been numerous threads about this so you might want to do a search on those instead of just typing some random "facts".
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It's funny and it's rude. It sounds like some of you are afraid of that DXL, however according to some of your ideas, there are lots DXL in Creamware DSP SystemsForum isn't it, I even find that funny that some supporters there asked "are you DXL" and "are you DXL's friend?"
What i said about the DSP power comparions is quite reasonable. Maybe you don't like I put 15DSP=UAD-1. But UAD-1 is able to open 9RealverbPro, but in creamware platform, the reverb can get to that level of sounding will cost you a lot, so it's the same if we talk about the compressor. There are good compressors for creamware but it will cost you a lot.
I'm not a die heart DSP fan obviously, however, i do wish creamware to grow bigger and stronger so it can be a usable and saft platform, and I suppose that is the reason why Guitar Center don't want to sell before Creamware starts some serious programming.
If you love blowing non Creamware supporters away here is the link go see how other people thinks.
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 1133028065
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 6843008555
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 1013090955
What i said about the DSP power comparions is quite reasonable. Maybe you don't like I put 15DSP=UAD-1. But UAD-1 is able to open 9RealverbPro, but in creamware platform, the reverb can get to that level of sounding will cost you a lot, so it's the same if we talk about the compressor. There are good compressors for creamware but it will cost you a lot.
I'm not a die heart DSP fan obviously, however, i do wish creamware to grow bigger and stronger so it can be a usable and saft platform, and I suppose that is the reason why Guitar Center don't want to sell before Creamware starts some serious programming.
If you love blowing non Creamware supporters away here is the link go see how other people thinks.
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 1133028065
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 6843008555
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... 1013090955
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Hi, the Waves plugin for native and TDM is a very accurate example for what i said.
Maybe you will see what i meant after reading the link below.
16 people only?! are you Joking?! they must be very good on dealing problems!?
Maybe you will see what i meant after reading the link below.
16 people only?! are you Joking?! they must be very good on dealing problems!?
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Late on 2002-06-08 16:39 ]</font>On 2002-06-08 16:22, King of Snake wrote:
What's the relevance of the amount of people working at CW?
There's only 16 people working at Clavia and just see how good (and popular) their stuff is.
And CW is already 10 years old!
That Mhz adding stuff was hilarious btw
As for the whole DSP vs CPU debate, there have been numerous threads about this so you might want to do a search on those instead of just typing some random "facts".
Hello Late,
How did you know the other guys were talking about DXL hmmmm??? They didn't mention the name.
Anyway, quality perception of the creamware products is very subjective I think. It is there, only there is no magic "make an instant magic sh*t hot preset for me" button. Maybe they need one!
Here's something I posted on another thread. I'll respost it here because I like Fairlight stuff very much indeedy. Apologies to anyone who wants one for the re-post:-
" For those wondering about how big creamware is or the quality of their products, might be interested in this little bit I came across in AudioTechnology magazine, a very respectable Oz publication:-
In an article describing the new big $$$ Fairlight DREAM systems:-
AT (AudioTechnology) asks RC (Fairlight's product director), "Where are the DSP plugins sourced from?"
"RC: We use a card from Creamware and you get around 70 plug-ins bundled with it, which are a mixture of delays, effects, reverbs.
AT: And this is a new development for DREAM?
RC: We actually have the plug-ins manager working on Fame 2 and Prodigy 2 systems. It's gone out on those systems, using a Yamaha DSP card. It does the job and it provides a host for VST plug-ins, but we weren't entirely satisfied with the quality of DSPs on the Yamaha card - we always thought we could do better. The trouble being that they're 24-bit fixed point DSPs, like the Motorola 56K chips that are used in other plug-in systems. We find that you really can't get the kind of results we like out of a fixed point system. The QDC engine is 40-bit floating point and we very happy with the sound quality floating point can give us. The Creamware is a SHARC-based DSP card that we like a lot. It sounds great and that's very important."
So there you go. Coming from Fairlight, that's a pretty good acknowledgement of the quality of the Creamware products.
Cheers!"
How did you know the other guys were talking about DXL hmmmm??? They didn't mention the name.
Anyway, quality perception of the creamware products is very subjective I think. It is there, only there is no magic "make an instant magic sh*t hot preset for me" button. Maybe they need one!
Here's something I posted on another thread. I'll respost it here because I like Fairlight stuff very much indeedy. Apologies to anyone who wants one for the re-post:-
" For those wondering about how big creamware is or the quality of their products, might be interested in this little bit I came across in AudioTechnology magazine, a very respectable Oz publication:-
In an article describing the new big $$$ Fairlight DREAM systems:-
AT (AudioTechnology) asks RC (Fairlight's product director), "Where are the DSP plugins sourced from?"
"RC: We use a card from Creamware and you get around 70 plug-ins bundled with it, which are a mixture of delays, effects, reverbs.
AT: And this is a new development for DREAM?
RC: We actually have the plug-ins manager working on Fame 2 and Prodigy 2 systems. It's gone out on those systems, using a Yamaha DSP card. It does the job and it provides a host for VST plug-ins, but we weren't entirely satisfied with the quality of DSPs on the Yamaha card - we always thought we could do better. The trouble being that they're 24-bit fixed point DSPs, like the Motorola 56K chips that are used in other plug-in systems. We find that you really can't get the kind of results we like out of a fixed point system. The QDC engine is 40-bit floating point and we very happy with the sound quality floating point can give us. The Creamware is a SHARC-based DSP card that we like a lot. It sounds great and that's very important."
So there you go. Coming from Fairlight, that's a pretty good acknowledgement of the quality of the Creamware products.
Cheers!"