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Here's my problem....

I've did a really big client and Cubase can't find the wav files for the songs?

When opening a new song, I set up 16 tracks. I record them and play them back. We listen to the songs after they are recorded and Cubase draws the little picutres for me saving that its creating those files.

I save the song with its name xxxxxxx.

I save the song again with the back up button in the file menu

After saving via back-up I close the song and save AS an arrangment.

I close the song.

I hit new song and set it up again, naming the song, choosing a folder to put them in ( on the RAID(1) Drive) , creating 16 tracks, setting the I/O and recording, listening to what we've recorded.

After I go back to the first song, Cubase tells me that it can't find the .wav file (file name) and asks me what to do about it. I have it auto search and it still can't find it.

AHHHHHHH ;q

What's happening here? This is the second big time client that this happened to. The last huge band came in and recorded their tracks, things went great but when we loaded their songs up for the 2nd time only some of the files were missing.

When I searched my computer using Windows Explorer's find function for *.wav files there were only a handful of wav files created for today. We did 7 songs. I played them all back before closing them out after saving them. Where the heck did they all go?

Here's my system:
MIXING SURFACES
YAMAHA O1V
YAMAHA O1V
MY8T DIGITAL ADAT INTERFACE
MY8T DIGITAL ADAT INTERFACE
COMPUTER HARDWARE
128MB RIMM
3.5 DISK DRIVE
ABIT TH7-RAID MOBO
FULL BAY FAN
GENERIC FULL TOWER CASE
IBM DESKSTAR 20GB IDE100 HARD DRIVE
IDE SUPERDRIVE LS-120
LOGITECH TRACKBALL
MATROX G400 DUAL HEAD VIDEO CARD
MICROSOFT NATURAL KEYBOARD
PENTIUM 1.5GHZ CHIP
PLEXTOR CDR 16/12/40
PROVIEW 19" MONITORS
REMOVEABLE HARD DRIVE KIT
SAMSUNG 30 GB HARD DRIVE
WESTERN DIGITAL 18GB HD
DSP AUDIO SYSTEM
CREAMWARE PULSAR
CREAMWARE SCOPE SRB
CREAMWARE PULSAR SOFTWARE 3.01

What the heck is going on here. Please help. I'm beside myself and now I may have a very angry client. I'm feeling a little preterbed but is this the kind of problem Subhuman warned about with RAID...Thanks a million.


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Howard L. Salter
Ravenwhite Productions
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ohmelas on 2002-02-24 20:56 ]</font>

this reads as if your files get lost in the disk cache. Cache is very high by default in modern systems (may easily use one third of ram available) and can take quite an amount of song data. If the cache management fails, possibly influenced by the raid, you know what happens. Don't know which OS you use but there may be a check box in device manager to control at least a part of this: check the last item of system, filesystem, problem solving, disable delayed writing for all drives. I have a german Win 98 so maybe its called different in other versions. Imho this item (or a similiar one) should always be checked for HD recording.

I've found a solution and diagnosed the problem.

It was primarily Cubase related and not at all Pulsar (whew!)

Cubase's version 5.0R6 writes its files a little differently and organizes MIDI differently. I just upgraded and hadn't changed the way that I was working on those files.It overwrites files of the same name (ahhhhh!)

You have to save the .wav files and everything in their own folder on the hard drive rather than dumping them into the great pool like I was doing. Easy enough.

Lastly my RAID wasn't optimized (subhuman warned me )
I guess it wasn't set up correctly. I've since posted the RAID onto its own IRQ, and have set them up a little better with tricks. I've upgraded to RAID 0+1 instead of just RAID 1 and threw a couple more fans in my case.

Most importantly,

I've purchased two ADATs to incorporate data redundancy while recording. I can't express how embarrassing it is to let a client know you just screwed up the last three hours of their project. I will always have an ADAT running from now on and in case of crash will have a hard copy on ADAT which in most cases (pending broken tape) should be great!)