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I'm designing a new native daw. While i need approximately 1-2 years to finish it, i would like to get some ideas from users.

So, what do you regularly do in your daw, which of the procedures you commonly do are performed slow (if any) and if you have a different idea of organizing stuff... Do you like score editing, do you like a clean (few settings) environment, do you need 20 different audio files format? I'm now designing the score editor. (for me this is a must) I'm taking ideas from logic score editor. Do you use one? Audio editing? And anything else like that. Mostly i'm interested about the cons of your current environment (if there is any).

I would appreciate any feedback...

fra77x wrote:I'm designing a new native daw. While i need approximately 1-2 years to finish it, i would like to get some ideas from users.

fra77x wrote: Do you like score editing, ... I'm now designing the score editor. (for me this is a must) I'm taking ideas from logic score editor. Do you use one? Audio editing? And anything else like that. Mostly i'm interested about the cons of your current environment (if there is any).

I would appreciate any feedback...

Fra77x,- 1st, good luck w/ your project,- I think it´s a herculean task w/ the background for how long Atari stuff like Notator SL and Logic Audio Platinum (today Logic Pro X) developed and grew up.

Yes, the Logic Score Editor is exactly what´s missing in most other DAW apps and sometimes there isn´t even a MIDI event list editor existing.
To me, the w/ other program internal editors interactive score editor is more or less essential and I also NEED a MIDI event list editor.
Integrated wave editor is extremely welcome too.
Emagic/Apple Logic Score Editor is the best out there, period.
If you can do that, hats off !
I´m still using Atari Notator SL and my Mac Logic is still v6.3 because I stopped buying Macs.
I´m urgently searching the Emagic LAP 6.4.3 update file for OSX because it´s not downloadable anymore.
If someone has it as a installable .dmg I´d like to get it. I own a XS dongle and Logic 6 install DVD.
Still have G3 and G4 Mac PPCs, desktop and Powerbooks, just only because of the Score Editor and some other MIDI sysex stuff like Sounddiver, Galaxy Plus Editors and such.

Since I´m on PCs too, I had Cubase SX3 and Phead Reason since v3, ditched Cubase and buyed Presonus Studio One Pro 2, use also Reaper occasionally, but I was never as satisfied MIDI wise as I was w/ the old ATARI Notator SL and Logic Audio Platinum.
Piano Roll for MIDI for me isn´t the best solution.
I read music and it´s the fastest for me also as a MIDI editing device.
When I see notation, I know what´s in the track and in the event list editor I see something additional notation is unable to display, overlapping notes, note length, velocity etc..
When I record MIDI, I play realtime and edit mistakes, moving notes and/or edit note length and velocity data.
That´s it most of the times if I have these features available.
I don´t quantize too much and leave stuff unquantized when it sounds musical.

Maybe it sounds insane, but my prefered work was playing an instrument, record and leave the mix & mastering for a sound engineer.
The sequencer isn´t my prefered record tool at all,- but that´s what we use since some time.

Bud

Thank you Bud. I also find logic score editor the best, I'm designing a kind of eclectic daw: Logic audio score editor, wavelab analyzers and basic audio editing, reaper routing, ableton simplicity, scope sdk routing... multiple windows for multiple monitors, minimum settings for non-cluttered display, absolutely logical, do what is straight and simple, to be continued...

fra77x wrote: ... I'm designing a kind of eclectic daw: Logic audio score editor, wavelab analyzers and basic audio editing, reaper routing, ableton simplicity, scope sdk routing... multiple windows for multiple monitors, minimum settings for non-cluttered display, absolutely logical, do what is straight and simple, to be continued...

Basicly a great idea !
You already do since some time or is it just the beginning now ?
What does "SCOPE SDK routing" mean to users not owning SCOPE SDK ?
Will you try support/integration of SCOPE environment and hardware like PCi card(s) and / or XITE boxes (only) and in the sense of the previously announced "Parseq" DAW sequencer?

Bud

There is plenty of work left. I do it without any rush between other projects but i have came to the point to be able to say "i will do it".
I don't know if it will be able to compete with other daws in terms of "completeness".
Right now i'm designing it for myself... (no OSX, no Linux). I design it the way i like things, something that maybe it is not the right way. (but for me it is).
I don't make a market research so to create my app. I just "copy" what i like and i will also add some stuff from my personal experience. The greatest encouragement is that i basically dislike most of the apps out there There are filled with stuff i never use and what i use has to be accomplished in a strange way. And i find most apps cluttered. My brain gets annoyed very easily. Even a dumb like me) will be able to use it... I don't won't the user to spend a minute "learning" my app.

with "scope sdk routing" i meant "scope routing".

Sorry no plans to use scope for audio generation.

I will post pics now and then to get an idea.

I'm with Bud on Scope integration, its a shame ParseQ dev seems to have stopped. Wonder how far it got and if the source code has been abandoned, whether it could be picked up.

Other than that, I got everything else covered with Cubase, Reason and Kontakt.

I don't do Score editing, but I do have a Rock opera project that ultimately would need a score if it were to be performed. Its years since I tried Cubase scoring. I hear lots about Sibelius, and if a Score editor can MIDI out seamlessly to VST like Kontakt that's a good thing.

A DAW which has a built in Scope mixer (like the mock up one I posted here http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=33236 ) bypassing the need for all this time spent ASIO routing really would be a killer app. I really cant think of any more ultimate workflow improvement for Scope record/compose users than rationalising ASIO routing out of the equation.

there is a custom score editor for ableton live. Most composers use sibelius or finale but these apps are for score preparation.

My app is gonna be a native one. It will communicate with audio interfaces normally through asio drivers.

The basic problem to integrate scope with a native app is the communication paths latency that defeats the whole purpose of having a realtime system.