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14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math !?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:45 am
by Shamk
Is there a scope 15 DSP and the DSP count is wrong ... something feel terrible wrong ...
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:49 am
by garyb
most of the big Scope(Power Pulsar) cards are 15 dsp. only the last few runs were 14dsp.
the meter looks fine to me.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:38 am
by Shamk
But below only 14 DSPs are present... why ?
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:34 pm
by jhulk
one is used for communication
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:45 pm
by garyb
if you have a Power Pulsar, it's 15dsp card. as jhulk said, the 15th is redundant and only used for sytem communication anyway.
does everything work? if so, then it's A-OK.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:21 pm
by djmicron
I can confirm this, it's normal with 5.1 and it runs flawlessly.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:14 pm
by jhulk
from his dsp usage everything looks great at 50%
on both of my systems 2 x15 dsp and pulsa2
and 1 x15 and 2 pulsa2
both only show 14 dsp for the scope cards as being used for dsp usage
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:48 am
by ARCADIOS
The DSP meter just reports 1 more, and I believe this is left from the older pro pci boards that were 15dsp cards.
The latest releases of scope pro cards were 14dsp (one dsp less than the older scope 15dsp). You can see where exactly the 15th dsp used to be placed, because there is an empty space with the dimentions of a SHARK dsp + a few chips less at the scope 14dsp cards.
I have one 14dsp pro card and + my 6dsp pulsar the DSP meter is reporting "wrong" the number "21", but below at the list they appear correctly one by one 14+6.
and offcourse it works perfectly, for 8-9 years now EVERYDAY.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:15 am
by Shamk
Nop, i still got PCI limit reach on project load.... i was looking to load Pulsar 15 DSP first ... with a "simple" project STM 4896 + 2 Masterverbpro, + all ADAT IO
I'm out of idea to make all running fine on my
MSI P45 Neo3-FR (PCB 1.0) ... i've checked everything inclued :
Brand new STDM cables
Card connector cleaned
PCI card order
No IRQ Sharing, PCI bus latency test from 96 to 128, and even unused USB ports are disbled
Scope card order
Scope, Pulsar II, Pulsar I
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right now, i'm out of idea ....
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:02 am
by Eanna
If you dismiss the dialog on project load, does the problem re-appear during your session?
If you load a 'basic' project with a small number of simple devices, does the problem appear?
If your project has a device that demands alot from the PCI bus (something that uses alot of DMA memory addressing, e.g. reverb/chorus) then the action of loading the DSP chips with the software while initialising those devices may push the PCI communication bus into an Over...
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:12 am
by garyb
PCI overload is as much a function of the motherboard as it is the card. all systems have a limit. you can't just use asio channels and reverbs forever. the question is at what point are you getting PC overflow?
why not do a masterverb test? that will show how well the system is running.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:05 am
by Shamk
garyb wrote: you can't just use asio channels and reverbs forever.
.
Why ?
garyb wrote: the question is at what point are you getting PC overflow?.
The problem come on the project load, it was just a test project with 60% DSP usage ... and it failed ! My system isn't stable, i'm looking for a stable dual core hardware... i 'll may use HP XW6xxxx to reach stability ...
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:21 am
by Eanna
Shamk wrote:
Why ?
I presume you're messing!
Each ASIO channel and each Delay Line in a reverb device requires a stream of data between PCI Card and motherboard RAM at 24-bit depth and at 48kHz or whatever rate... The PCI Bus is a set size / bandwidth, so you will hit a max at some point. That max is primarily dependent on motherboard.
Shamk wrote:
The problem come on the project load, it was just a test project with 60% DSP usage ...
What devices have you loaded? Like I said, if this only happens when the DSPs are being transferred to the chips and while each ASIO or Delay Line is initialising, then some motherboard PCI Busses may choke up under that load.
My question is if this regularly occurs during your session once you dismiss the dialog? (You may need to briefly switch your Sample Rate in the Sample Rate dialog to trigger a reload of the DSPs).
I see you've resolved IRQ sharing - but is there DMA address sharing too? DMA is the Memory Addressing protocol... I'm not sure if that is your problem, but it's worth investigating, especially since you're familiar with msinfo32.
I've also heard it said that Gen2 Scope PCI cards handle PCI bus better...
And Gary mentioned the Masterverb test.. Here's that thread:
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17078
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:09 pm
by Shamk
That max is primarily dependent on motherboard.
So the masterverb test is there to test it, ok i got it now. I supposed that all data can transit on the mobo as long i have DSP free ... i was so wrong.
My problem is on project load, it's a "fake project" to test all after different message error, but i may start by masterverb test after all ... i'm considering to buy old workstation if it's offering more PCI bandwith !
Thank you Guys !
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:58 am
by Shamk
I had 2 masterverb before PCI overflow ...
After removing cards, just pulsar 2 all is ok (8 masterverb before DSP Saturation)
Gen 1 cards are really not a good deal ... even with a lot of DSP ...
Yes definitely
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:28 am
by djmicron
it depends on what you load on your projects, if you do lot of synthesis, then gen1 cards are ok, but 2 masterverbs is poor result for gen one, it should be 8 at least.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:16 am
by garyb
i'd say it should be 5 or 6 at least for a gen 1 card....
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:25 am
by djmicron
garyb wrote:i'd say it should be 5 or 6 at least for a gen 1 card....
maybe on more recent chipset it's more limited, but on my older amd 3400 pc, it reaches 9 with pulsar2 + 2x scopes 15 dsp first gen.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:26 am
by garyb
that motherboard just works exceptionally well.
Re: 14 + 6 + 4 = 24 + 1 more extra DSP free or just bad math
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:05 pm
by Shamk
garyb wrote:i'd say it should be 5 or 6 at least for a gen 1 card....
Exactly !
I mount it on a old pentium 4 card (pulsar 1 + scope + scope 4.5), and it's up to 6 before overflow