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I don't mean disrespect, but some demos are just bad. It could be the developers just posted a quick test, or posted the first few "demos" their users posted..

Take this demo of SAM vsti, from WOK music.
http://www.music.service-1.de/SAM_Demo_2.mp3

It's a typical synth.. but the demo is not that good. The timing's kind of wonky (why not quantize?). I'm assuming the eq and mixing is unimpressive because it's just straight from the synth. That's fine. But the kick is not very inspiring, and the composition itself is not too inspiring either. You hear some of the leads.. a square portamento square lead, and a sync lead.. and a detuned saw string/pad thing. Which in my opinion is not the best way to differentiate yourself from the market, or showcase your hard work. So, I hear a demo like this, and wonder why would the developers pick this track to represent their work? It makes me want to make a demo for them. This is just not impressive enough. And I'm sure they didn't just spit out the plugin.. so it hurts me to see their work being misrepresented. If anyone here wrote the demo, sorry, but I wasn't very impressed.

There's two sides to this.. one side of me understands that developers may not be the best composers or musicians in the world. They make the synth, and if they're good at it, great. That's the scale they should be measured on. But the other side of me thinks that it's sort of implied that synth makers should be competent musicians. Perhaps not to a competitive degree, but good enough to make the best use of their own instruments. If the demo doesn't do the synth justice, then that's a bad business choice. (bad PR) For me, a demo should cover normal use cases, and how the synth excels at them, but also should showcase new uses, or its creative potential, and it's the demo maker's job to study the synth and take it that far. I guess that's my philosophy for demo writing.. but it's also a business tool. I mean, a demo's like any commercial writing, it serves a business function, and if it fails to achieve it, then there's little reason to call it a demo.

What do you guys think? What do you look for in a demo?

They should post em on soundcloud and ask for feedback in a synth demo forum.

i think most of the vst demo's fall short

omnisphere was so hyped up when i got the demo and played about with it

i thought it was very limited its alright for a preset synth

but you are left with his samples cant mangle them enough

and low on options

but its the same also for hardware synths so many have crap presets that dont do the synths justice

and the vsti are so buggy you are playing the diagnostic and sending back the problems all the time

and with them problem sorted they introduce more problems

also a lot of these vsti have great gui but sound awful and way to much to get your head round them

i say keep them simple but great sounding and your right its the sound and if the demo is crap then people usually walk by

hey dante are you demoing the new bc modules

Most demos are terrible, true.
Ugly, dated, not creative, etc., you name it
At best impressive. I remember the demo of the Roland drum computer R8, it showed also the possibilities nicely.

jhulk wrote:hey dante are you demoing the new bc modules

Where are they ?

kensuguro wrote:I don't mean disrespect, but some demos are just bad. It could be the developers just posted a quick test, or posted the first few "demos" their users posted..

Take this demo of SAM vsti, from WOK music.
http://www.music.service-1.de/SAM_Demo_2.mp3

It's a typical synth..

Ignore demos !
Check it out instead.

I have it, it´s cheap, it´s polyphonic and for a VST synth it´s very good and a ideal partner for my Sonic Projects OPX-Pro II VSTi.
It sounds better than the Arturia.

There´s coming the successor dec. 18 ...
http://music.service-1.de/html/uncle_sam_vst_synth.html

Since I have most vintage big synths in SCOPE like Minimax, Prodyssey, Profit-5, Vectron, Uknow7 and Modular III,- I´m still using these Oberheim SEM and OBX VST emulations even I own a real Oberheim Xpander in very good condition.

Bud

dante wrote:

jhulk wrote:hey dante are you demoing the new bc modules

Where are they ?

Well, Jimmy mentioned BC modular in the "Announcements>Adern Summer Sale" thread and I did a search for what it is, but only found that thread from 2007.
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 48&start=0

Now I wonder if these are the modules he mentioned or if there are updates somewhere.
Jimmy ?

thx

Bud

i thought dante might of been beta testing them

they are new and will open up the modular the multisample osc is great

i have been doing 36 multisample keymap sets

and they work great

still ironing out the modules

making adjustments to them for beta operation

they will be here soon when they are perfected

jhulk wrote:i

they will be here soon when they are perfected

Good to know,- thank you !

Bud

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/string-thi ... zed-strinz

here's a first preset from a simple string machine bc modular patch using the new sample osc

ill do some more presets and add them

at the moment there are 5 sample sets but will be adding more

this is just a beta patch as were working on the modules still but it will give you an idea

there are no reverb or delay

there is chorus and phaser for that classic jj string sound

with the poly filter you can do so many types of patches

and by adding the 3 volumes of the footage's you can get lots of different sounds

as the footage's are additively adding there frequencies together

will up load some more preset sounds showing the types you can create

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/bandpass-sweeping-strings

this is using a bandpass filter with a long sweeping eg

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/vibrato-stringza

another chord doodle to show the pitch modulation by lfo

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/thin-strings

another chord doodle this time i have lowered the 16' osc this makes the strings sound thin

used a sweep eq on the poly filter

Bud Weiser wrote:

dante wrote:

jhulk wrote:hey dante are you demoing the new bc modules

Where are they ?

Well, Jimmy mentioned BC modular in the "Announcements>Adern Summer Sale" thread and I did a search for what it is, but only found that thread from 2007. http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 48&start=0

Well, I don't know about updates but this whole MODULAR BCM thang is something I've missed, and deserves coverage in ScopeRise at least. So I will write something and if members here want to help. Especially since I have a BCR2000 and it sits gathering dust.....

I like the string synth sounds too jhulk

they are in beta stages

sharc just updated me to sample osc d

so there 1 a b and c

but between me and him and my surgestions we are now on 4

but i think that will change as we are finding bugs and getting things running smothly

the sample osc c had pb problems that it was steppy and glitchy this was addressed with sample osc d

but the pb is better but i have to have it max at 6 notes as its still not smooth enough

and this is just the sample osc

he is doing loads of modules

and we are beta testing them all im also doing tests with poly at

the poly filter is being a stumbling block at the moment were using a new bc modular shell but the polyfilter drop down menu is not working and

sharc is having some issues with trying to load the string thingy dev

so lots of playing and lots of testing

he is allso having playback issues with my samples but i am not so theres that issue to sort out

the sample osc has sf2 and sts support but theres a problem for some reason the lfo is tied to the pitch with these files and so they dont play properly

with out turning down the lfo

but akai s1000 format does not have this problem

so he is trying to sort that out

then we will have a container sample osc with multi samples

30+ samples on those string multisample files

so doing the delta for better bass should be possible and ill use just the square waves but also a bunch of wavetables so you can do more

Coolness. But since I missed the whole B-Control thing I also have some catching up to do there let alone any new stuff. I am well behind. I did manage to set up a B-Control Modular project shell, and its responding to my hardware BCR so later on I will try that to control an older Delta patch you gave me.

well the bc shell is great the new one has lots of extra stuff

for the bcr

enjoy it its a great tool

and i cant wait for every one to try out my new stuff as the multiample osc can help do what kontakt can do but more

No, I always play them myself. But I apreciate very much a good demo.

jhulk wrote:https://soundcloud.com/jhulk/thin-strings

another chord doodle this time i have lowered the 16' osc this makes the strings sound thin

used a sweep eq on the poly filter

Well, I was unable listening to Soundcloud for some days (don´t ask me why ...) but now I could.
I like your string-sounds and especially the transwaves demo very much and appreciate your multisample OSC for Modular will work w/ AKAI S-1000 standard.
Very promising,- I have a big AKAI S-1000/3000 library here !

Just a question and please don´t take it as a demand,- but would it be imaginable it works w/ EMU multisamples too in future ?
I really miss EMU III/EOS sample and programs format compatibility in STS samplers and it would be ice on the cake to use AKAI and EMU in SCOPE.
I´d pay for such devices because I could sell 5 hardware samplers and possibly my 2 Oberheim DPX-1 units w/ single-out options too.
Some time ago, I did conversions for Halion and Kontakt using CD-Xtract as also the Kontakt import mode, which was a very time consuming work,- and wasn´t that satisfied in the end,- so I kept the hardware units for the time being.

Bud