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Does it matter?


Building a new computer. This may be the last hurrah for my Scope card as they are phasing out PCI slots.

NO socket 1155 motherboard will work proeperly with a Scope PCI card. well, it will work, but it will probably have terrible bandwidth.

no problem with AMD boards, but intel based systems must be socket 775, 1366 or 1156. there is little difference in actual performance between 1155 and 1156...

Which AMD is comparable to those in speed and price?

Actually this is very disappointing news because I am reading Intel is faster. I guess it doesn't matter as I will be using Scope mainly for mastering anyway. I need a lot of power for Premiere Pro and gaming.

Define "terrible bandwidth." What latency do you call "terrible"?


I'm reading Windows 8 works the same as Windows 7 in a DAW with a fresh instal. That is according to Steinberg.

Regarding CPU performance Intel vs AMD:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gam ... 106-5.html

No AMD at the top .

http://www.pcgamer.com/review/amd-fx-8350-review/

I have the 3770 for the GPU integration using HD4000 GFX.
But this is more than enough juice for applications. The AMD hs even better GFX on die so as long as your build has a tower where the excessive heat can be controlled, the AMD would be a better choice IMHO.
They are known for high heat, but also known for their competitive pricing.

AMD is not a better choice unfortunately, nothing past the Phenom II X6's are even wortwhile as they've cut the FPU count by 1/2 compared to the core count, and the designs did NOT scale over the last 2-3 years (since the new core design debuted to replace Phenom II X4/X6). In fact it's so bad that a Phenom II X4/X6 of appreciable clock speed often beats the newer 8 cores (with 4 FPU's) in many audio, video, graphics and gaming tasks. AMD basically targeted its current crop of chip designs around the needs of HTPC/mobile and server users (focusing on cutting power usage since they're 2 process steps behind Intel more or less).

On the other hand, a 3770 with a scope compatible board needn't break the bank, and you can skip the K series for a small savings or move to 3570 for even more saved, without a HUGE performance hit. K series is mainly for being able to 'rebin' (overclock) and run the cpu at a higher "turbo" stepping or two for 2 & 4 cores being 'active'. 3770K can STILL do this just not beyond its rated thermal envelope for each step. From what I've seen the people who play with C/P states have gotten all 4 cores to sit comfortably at 2 steps higher than default (from Intel) with quite a few mobos too, which is encouraging.

So find an LGA-1156 board that works well with Scope and is easy for you to configure imo, then select your cpu from above and get some decent ram (not overclocker crap, not budget crap with no heat spreader as they're needed for the higher ddr3 clocks these days imo).

Stick with Intel.
Period.
AMD is in the midst of a slow-motion decline.

Greg

That's my gut feeling.

You could always just break down and get an XITE-1 too....
The 32bit Buss was great through the last part of the 1900's and first decade of the21st century.

Is it a day too late that side of the world to get a black one ?

dawman wrote:I have the 3770 for the GPU integration using HD4000 GFX.
But this is more than enough juice for applications.

Because I plan buying the same CPU together w/ ASUS P8Z77-M or -V ...

How much shared RAM have you allocated to the IGPU to run all SCOPE/XITE and VST stuff ?
I know default is 64meg but can go up to 1720meg and I´ve also read it grabs up to 256kb from CPU Level 3 cache.

I think, the interest is keeping shared RAM low because a steal of 1720meg from 8 or 16GB RAM means loading less apps, plugins and samples.
I also wonder whether the steal from L3 cache affects polyphony on natively running VSTis or not.

Any info appreciated !

Bud

32MBs and the CPU is a constant 40-41 degrees Centigrade, case temps are 29 degrees Centrigrade.
I am extremly impressed with MSI and Intel, and if you build a 1U the Samsung low profile 1.3v RAM is stock at 1600Mhz.
I am happy to see my needs as less than stock speeds, Soniccore has what I need, so let the Intel do its thing in relative Peace.
FWIW Pianoteq is just beyond words. It uses a ridiculously low amount of resources and will do whatever you ask of it. I can't even tell you the resources it uses, and they are so small, I can't measure it.
Reaper uses nothing, Kontakt uses very little too.
I see 1-8% on all cores, with 8.2 GBs of RAM.

Best build to date, but the jurys' still out on it's longevity.
But I Prime Tested this for 46 hours and got tired of not being able to jam, so that was fine for me. Also you can OC the non K CPUs to 4.2GHz so the K will get you 300+ MHz more but what for...? I don't use the Native stuff much, and the Native stuff I do use is very efficient and mature.

FWIW MSI has less bells and whistles and so far has 4 BIOS updates and a forum full of geeky Cackling Hens always busting their balls. But the guys in Taiwan are there within a day to answer any fix or take the board back for a new one.
I really like these guys.

dawman wrote:32MBs and the CPU is a constant 40-41 degrees Centigrade, case temps are 29 degrees Centrigrade.
I am extremly impressed with MSI and Intel, and if you build a 1U the Samsung low profile 1.3v RAM is stock at 1600Mhz.
I am happy to see my needs as less than stock speeds, Soniccore has what I need, so let the Intel do its thing in relative Peace.
FWIW Pianoteq is just beyond words. It uses a ridiculously low amount of resources and will do whatever you ask of it. I can't even tell you the resources it uses, and they are so small, I can't measure it.
Reaper uses nothing, Kontakt uses very little too.
I see 1-8% on all cores, with 8.2 GBs of RAM.

Best build to date, but the jurys' still out on it's longevity.
But I Prime Tested this for 46 hours and got tired of not being able to jam, so that was fine for me. Also you can OC the non K CPUs to 4.2GHz so the K will get you 300+ MHz more but what for...? I don't use the Native stuff much, and the Native stuff I do use is very efficient and mature.

FWIW MSI has less bells and whistles and so far has 4 BIOS updates and a forum full of geeky Cackling Hens always busting their balls. But the guys in Taiwan are there within a day to answer any fix or take the board back for a new one.
I really like these guys.

Thx for the info Jimmy !
I hoped it will work good w/ 8GB of RAM, Reaper, Kontakt, SCOPE XITE and the IGPU graphics.
And since there are the SCOPE devices and my hardware instruments, I also don´t need many native VSTis personally.
But maybe I have to go 16GB RAM because there will be cases I have to use Studio One Prov2 and Reason 6.5 rewired in addition to Kontakt, but that´s only related to studio work for other clients who want me to use the same plugins they use in their studio when they mix themselves there.

It´s surprisingly hard to explain these guys what S|C SCOPE/XITE is and what the advantages are ...
I just had a visitation of a friend/ film producer running studios near Cologne and I´m working for him sometimes.
Being a bit older than me, he ran audio production studio and publishing for decades, managed artists selling major released records and now does the film thingy.
When I showed and explained XITE this afternoon, the only he remembered was Creamware Triple DAT.
Well, he came w/ his wife, so no much time, but I told him I´ll give him a demonstration when coming next time in dec. or jan .

Bud

Give him the 'studio-in-a-box' schpeel. Theres still some Kontakt VSTI's needed to replace a classic keys or orchestra setup, which arent done on Scope as fully yet, like Rhodes, Jaco Bass, LASS, EQWL etc. but you can sell that as an XITE integration advantage in that Scope slots in with what you've already got without starting over again.

Definately look at the low profile "Green" Samsung RAM.
This is the only Green product I EVER saw or heard of that is faster and more efficient than any other RAM at the same speeds. Plus it's height is a huge plus for 1U Chassis'.
1600 @ 1.3v is really an evolutionary step in low power, low heat, and higher transfer rates.

Perhaps the EPA and UNICOR already have prisoners assembling the RAM like they do with Solar Panels, which might explain it's dirt cheap price.

dawman wrote:Definately look at the low profile "Green" Samsung RAM.
This is the only Green product I EVER saw or heard of that is faster and more efficient than any other RAM at the same speeds. Plus it's height is a huge plus for 1U Chassis'.
1600 @ 1.3v is really an evolutionary step in low power, low heat, and higher transfer rates.

This ?
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/memo ... t_review/1

You have 2 of these built in or are there 4GB sticks too ?

Bud

4 x 4 GBs.
Keep in mind if we aren't using high binned Xeons and their associated chipsets, the risks of packed DIMMs using max 8GB sizes is fine, but risky IMHO.
This is my experience, but it is based of X58s versus their 5500 Xeon counterparts.
Someday this will change, but I found out to get my i7/24GBs to work stable, I had to operate at 1244MHz, slightly under the default chipsets speed, but using 1.5v.

I think if you are just recording 8 GB's is fine, you don't need to record every track and instrument simulataneously. Try 2 x 4GBs sticks and see. The upgrade is the same price twice so there's no financial discount, just the 2nd time shipping charges.

if you're just recording and are using win7 with aero, 4gb is PLENTY. if you turn off aero, 4gb is probably enough for a few vstis too. 8gb is definitely enough for most uses.

I just Upgradet my pc too.Didnt go all the way tho.Just went from aE6750 running at 3,2Ghz and 4 gb 800Mhz ddr2 to a Q9550 with a Beefy 12 mb cache and 8 Gb 1066 Mhz ddr2.Cpu at stock atm@2,84Ghz and Ram also stock @2,1V which seems high but for Kingston Hyper X its standart.

Performance Increase was more then i expected.Works with tons of Instruments and ram Hungry Kontakt stuff in Cubase with Max in Rewire.
Happy and just spend ~320€.Got the cpu used and just dumped the Horrible excuse of a stock cooler for an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 which is near Silent.
Mb is a Asus P5q Pro Turbo.(none of the overclocking software installed) And just 1 Wd Caviar Black 1Tb with 64 Mb cache which is fast as hell.
This setup maybe seems old but i wont need to Upgrade in the next years thats for sure.

On Topic,go Intel.For every Amd there is a Intel chip that beats it in Price/Performance.And the Energy wasting and Heat is imo unaceptable for Amd.