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you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:43 pm
by garyb
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:44 pm
by dawman
I saw that weeks ago and thought it was way cool.
Lady GaGa had some sexy stage partner that was a Hologram at CES last year, so it was a matter of time before it became a new fad.
What I want to see is live performers and Holograms like they are transported as if in a Star Trek show, popping in and out of a live show.
Right now unless you have some serious money generated you won't be able to afford this.
Maybe before I retire I can have a band of perfectly created fine women to not fight for mirrors on the breaks, or ask for loans before payday, nag about the lights and sound, etc.
That would be heavenly.
I won't have sex on stage like GaGa did, but a controllable group of perfect females would be a blessing, and serious cash Cow.
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:23 pm
by garyb
yes, but what you might not have noticed is that the voice was computer generated. it's an artificial voice that is a major pop star.
http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Miku_Hatsune
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:34 pm
by siriusbliss
Pretty sophisticated, yet amazingly simple use of converging video projection technology.
Seems like nothing in Japan is real anymore.
G
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:37 pm
by Cochise
She ...rocks.
I checked out Vocaloid times ago... I didn't find it easy to program if someone wanna really give lot of voice shades...
Looks like the musicians (drums, guitars) were flesh and blood working around there though
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:18 pm
by dante
I would get one of those Vocaloids if they could actually make a voice that had some balls.
Mind you, over the last 5 years the gap between Vocaloid's quality and Whitney Houston's has closed considerably.

Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:53 pm
by dawman
Anyone who likes this stuff has good reason too.
I personally have been using sampling technology since its commercial release.
We still are far away from realism, but every year or so we get closer and closer.
I recently got LASS strings which are really nice.
Naturally I am a cheap bastard and waited for LASS Lite.
I can create the useless " mic " placements using virtual Mid/Side EQ's or Reverbs in an AUX, so I always wait a year, and then Lo And Behold ...........another Lite version.
I really want Hollywood Strings as they are extremly well recorded and sampled.
But even the Lite version of those is 900 USD, so I think I will wait.
I just want to recreate some Fine looking babes with huge chi-chi's, skinny waists, bubble butts, and disabled voices when not singing..............
I will have this when I am jusing a walker to climb on stage, but it will happen.
So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done......
Yuil Brennar as Ramsees The Second...........Exodus...MGM..1956.
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:51 pm
by siriusbliss
"I'm not dead yet...!"
Monty Python
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:03 am
by at0m
siriusbliss wrote:Seems like nothing in Japan is real anymore.
Or anywhere, for that matter. Sure you remember
Celine Dion's duet with Elvis on American Idol?
I was too young when Roland released its TB and TR series, but can't imagine a drummer or bass player thinking of these machines as competition...
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:02 am
by wayne
Damn straight At0m

Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:34 am
by dawman
Best analogy I have heard for that point.
That should be a Hologram companys' LoGo.....
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:35 am
by kensuguro
well, you do have to see this in the right context. Miku Hatsune has been a bit of a social phenomenon in Japan. It's been going on for 5-6 years now. The whole thing with Miku Hatsune was a clever mix of a very popular voice actress, and user generated content that spread virally over social media. It hit a particular group (anime fans, geeks) who were technically adept, and also addicted to the internet. But as in any culture, these were the people who were not presentable, or did not have the social skills necessary to spread their music / content. Miku Hatsune put a face on all their efforts, manifested all their talents in data form, and it just caught on fire.
People drew their own animations of Miku Hatsune, and wrote hundreds of thousands of songs. Over the years, her videos spread over youtube, and nikodo, which is the Japanese version of youtube. You leave that running for a bunch of years, and you've got great name recognition.
The concept of the product was to create the first vocaloid pop star, so I guess they've succeeded in a sense.. Yamaha also has a vocaloid that is a bit more sophisticated, but that kinda failed, though the yamaha one wasn't built to compete with Miku Hatsune.
The vocaloid concept wasn't created to replace humans though.. I think it just comes from the Japanese fascination of robots in general. We have close to 3 generations who grew up watching cartoons where every other character is a robot, or sometimes casted entirely with robots, and you sort of get why they like robots so much. And going from the themes of cartoons involving robots, the general sentiment is that they want to coexist.
Robots are interesting story gimmicks. They have a unique dilemma of being tools, but yet wanting to have character, similar to the cog in the wheel / corporate dilemma. The robots have a function, which is their destiny, but depending on the context, the destiny may work for, or against the character. With humans, that structure is often presented as a character's profession, etc (knight, "the chosen one", etc). A knight faces dilemma when pursuing his destiny involves leaving his lover. A robot faces dilemma when he wants to save his friend, but his destructive war time code kicks in. In the robots case, the dilemma can easily translate to a visual dilemma, with the robots eyes flashing red and machine guns and rocket launchers popping out his shoulders as the war time code kicks in. In the knights case, his decision to leave his lover could be represented by the knight putting on his armor, or maybe even putting on war paint.. but it's a little more subtle than the robot.
Interestingly, the "Masked Rider" series that paved way of the power ranger series, has a very similar dilemma. The main character is a product of a scientific experiment, who was created as a weapon, but runs away mid way, and must destroy the organization that made him, so they stop creating more human weapons. But on a general scale, these are just twisted fate type scenarios that are the basis of many great stories.
So anyway, it seems the story writers use robots because of their interesting characteristic as a storytelling device, and continue to do so. (sort of like how godzilla was first written as a post war statement) But people have become to like them literally as well.
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:49 am
by garyb
c'mon ken!
2D has always been superior to 3D!
OTAKUS FOREVER!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XViVyT3I ... 2&index=21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2TL5Bl6 ... re=related
really though, the whole "Idol" thing in Japan is quite a phenomenon, one that's perfect for imaginary girls!
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:22 pm
by dawman
Here's one that ain't imaginary and quite real.
She comes here to Vegas during the AVN show, CES and other oppurtunities.
Google Hitomi Tanaka, but make sure you're sittin' down first.
He has these huge georgeous Cartoon like eyes, but there are also other features that no hologram will ever make obsolete...............
Re: you're obsolete.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:04 pm
by garyb
ahhh gravure....