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Hi,

Would anyone here know what plugins (or platform) might be authorized to run on an old fairlight card.

TIA

it's probably identical to a regular Pulsar II card - at least I dunno of any OEM specific classification...
You're probably about slaughtering an old console, so imho buying a Scope 5 upgrade from Sonic Core might be a valid option. The reverbs inclued are worth the price alone and guessing from reading on this board they currently throw in Mix & Master and/or Synth & Sample pack. Just drop them a line.

cheers, Tom

yeah, i think astro's right. the card is the same, but you'll need to contact S/C and you should probably get the upgrade. it's worth it. i don't know that the Fairlight ran the Scope platform, although it did use the same, or similar plugins.

Thanks guys.

On the website I thought I saw something to the effect of having bought it before a certain date and not from a partner etc

I think it will run 4.5, but not anything newer, at least for free.

Maybe someone has a bit more info would be appreciated.

My regards to the forum

creamer wrote:Thanks guys.
On the website I thought I saw something to the effect of having bought it before a certain date and not from a partner etc ...

well, at least that bit of information I can explain...
there was Creamware (the maker of your board)
the company went broke and the intellectual property was aquiered by 2 parties:
Use Audio (in India, led by former Creamware business director F. Hund)
and Sonic Core (2 leading members of Creamware's former developement team, who left a year or so before the bancrupty and founded their own business).

To make a long story short... the liquidation of Creamware wasn't a totally friendly affair, in particular when Use Audio announced bundles of Scope devices for bargain.
That's the reason for the disclaimer on Sonic Core's site - Use Audio didn't support the original Scope platform, but still sold devices 'as is' for their Plugiator system and it was expected that Use Audio customers might (try to) update their devices via Sonic Core.
Since the licensing scheme was altered in consequence, that's probably pointless today.
Anyway, somewhat simplified, but you'll get the idea.

cheers, Tom

Thanks for helping ma to understand!

I didn't know about USE Audio system was in some way compatible with sonic core because I thought the new creamware company had their own Klangboxes and so on.

I think I am talking about Fairlight System which used creamware cards (still compatible with soniccore) but I don't know if the serial numbers what version they are compatible with, eg 4.5 or 5 or even older.

Best regards

garyb wrote:yeah, i think astro's right. the card is the same, but you'll need to contact S/C and you should probably get the upgrade. it's worth it. i don't know that the Fairlight ran the Scope platform, although it did use the same, or similar plugins.

This is right but can it run scope platform?

I am looking at a card but without IO.

Thanks everyone

yes. it still has a multipin for an i/o card right? it won't be nearly as much fun without it.

you'll still probably need to buy a license for the software as it never came with the card(it used the Fairlight software and Scope plugins afaik). what's that card doing outside the still pretty current and useful Fairlight Constellation?

garyb wrote:yes. it still has a multipin for an i/o card right? it won't be nearly as much fun without it.

I think it has a fairlight i/o attached to it AFAIK.

I'm a bit confused because again AFAIK old creamware cards only ran 4.0 whereas there are disks for scope 4.5 but as per sonic-core website I'm doubtful that it would get 5.0 free.

http://sonic-core.net/en/products/scope5.html

Were Fairlight considered a "partner" by chance anyone know?

garyb wrote: what's that card doing outside the still pretty current and useful Fairlight Constellation?

erm yeh???
thats the question I wanted to ask.... what happened to the rest ?

No one with experience can answer?

probably not so much Constellation owners on this board...

btw... that reminds me... since you don't have an IO-plate anyway, you'd be better off getting a used (say) 3 DSP card with software.
I recently bought one from a member here for 100 Euro, half the amount of a new plate or about what you'd pay for a used one.
Then you connect the card from the Fairlight with a so called S/TDM cable and you have a 9 DSP system for bargain...

cheers, Tom

creamer wrote:

garyb wrote:yes. it still has a multipin for an i/o card right? it won't be nearly as much fun without it.

I think it has a fairlight i/o attached to it AFAIK.

I'm a bit confused because again AFAIK old creamware cards only ran 4.0 whereas there are disks for scope 4.5 but as per sonic-core website I'm doubtful that it would get 5.0 free.

no, old Creamware cards ran up to v4.5. v5 is free if you have v4.5 keys. do you have a full set of keys? why haven't you communicated with S/C yet? it doesn't matter what we think.

where's the rest of the console?

garyb wrote:

creamer wrote:no, old Creamware cards ran up to v4.5. v5 is free if you have v4.5 keys. do you have a full set of keys? why haven't you communicated with S/C yet? it doesn't matter what we think.

where's the rest of the console?

SC won't answer, I assume because the serial belongs to another system and they either have to support it or refuse.

Which of the two I don't know but bad marks here for a company I thought was decent to future customers, that being those who might buy software.

future customers who might be buying WHAT ???
sorry, but that's kind of a running joke on this board, with a bitter taste, somewhat.
I better stop before I even start...

of course this board doesn't represent all the customer base, but a significant part probably.
You may assume that from those 3k users no more than 200 (a whooping 6%) will buy 'extra' software in a significant amount, if at all.
The rest is just bla bla or lurking on 2nd hand deals, which (admittedly) can be fu**ing good sometimes.
I've spent about $3k on devices in the shop and from 3rd parties, but I got licenses worth at least 5-6k coming with a 2nd hand Scope system.
People complain about the 200 bucks upgrade fee for Scope 5, ignoring that SC throws in a Lexicon quality reverb...
(sorry, couldn't resist)

cheers, Tom

I'm not after a Lexicon reverb, I'm after Creamware DSP with up-to-date SonicCore software and I want to know if my card will run it "out of the box".

It doesn't matter the history of what system it was in it only matters that SC aren't answering the question, ie serial number.

What I need to know is generally speaking does anyone have any experience with old torn apart fairlight systems, if not then can anyone find someone who does?

Thanks

Peace

Could you make a picture of the card?Just interrested to see it and what i/o is attached.Maybe there is a HW serial sticker on the card? Did you write to the sc support mail?It can take a few days to answer such a question due to fairlight beeing involved and probably some old creamware paperwork to go thru.
Interresting to see that Fairlight used these cards tho,never knew that.

Hi Fluxpod

The I/O that was attached was proprietary Fairlight, which would have used the same physical interfacing as Soniccore i/o boards but that is all I know, so now it's just a PulsarII XTC card or equivalent.

The strange thing is, there are disks for Scope 4.5 when AFAIK all if not most PulsarII cards before the SC takeover ran only 4.0, ie 4.5 was a paid upgrade.

how many people tear apart $250,000 systems that are still current just to use the effects engine?

yes, those are stock Creamware cards. NO, they did not run the Scope software.

what email address did you write to and what did you request? you're not entitled to anything from S/C unless you want to purchase a software license. if they haven't replied, how long has it been? if more than a few days, then you should try a different email address. maybe the spam filter ate it. perhaps, you didn't ask the right question("can i purchase a software license?").

regardless, i can say with more than reasonable certainty that THERE IS NO ONE ON ANY INTERNET CHAT BOARD WHO HAS EXPERIENCE TEARING DOWN OLD FAIRLIGHT CONSTELLATIONS IN ORDER TO USE THE SOUNDCARD IN THEIR PC, just you... first off, they were made in the hundreds, not one hundred thousands, and secondly, they're still current and usable. where is the rest of the system?

interesting thread...

once more, there were plenty of CREAMWARE cards sold with v4.5. v4.5 was a CREAMWARE invention. if you have software, where are the keys? if this card HAD Scope keys EVER, you could send the serial number to S/C (support) and just request the keyfile. there's no need to mention Fairlight.

perhaps you could attach a picture so that we can see what you have.