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I have been off Giga for 2 weeks now after 10 years of use....
Kontakt is by far a much better sampler than anything out there, but I never liked the lack of low end.
Well it turns out that was the instruments I was listening to.
For example the Kontakt 3 Library sounds so bad I didn't want to buy it...
So I went looking for a VSTi Drum, but after demo'ing BFD 2, Toontracks, SD2 and Heaviocity I was ready to replace Larry Seyer's Drums, and then this guy broke this cheap 100 dollar Steve Slate Drum w/ Kontakt Player built in.................Whoa.......huge difference in sound.
Especially the Led Zeppelin kit. I can start getting new live drum tracks for VDAT now.
At the end of the day these all sounded pretty good but this Slate guy just has better sounds for my tastes.

I still prefer Superior2 for it's flexibility, and the new NY Allaire set is amazing for the big Zeppelin-esque hit-the-side-of-a-boxcar sound.
Using the internal submixer with even S2's own internal effects is very good.
Pump it through Scope and you get a whole other dimension entirely.

...and I agree re: the native Kontakt library. It's pretty crappy. I only K3/4 for the good 3rd party libraries out there, and for the scripting.

Greg

Superior 2 did sound nice.
I want to keep everything in Kontakt for live work though and since these instrumnets all sound the same using the same types of drum sounds having Kontakt as a Surround instrument is something I need to consider. PianoTeq Pro is also Surround and since it's a CPU instead of Memory intensive instrument it strikes a good balance.
I have been having fun with the Scope Z Matrix Surround Panner and I can actually
use it with the DAS and JLCooper for all sorts of neat tricks in Surround. But having the Instruments already set up in the ASIO Source module is a great way to get started w/ Surround for live work.
I actually need to buy more Barbettas but I got a great 5.1 already and need 7.1 to pull off what I want.
5.1 Drums sound really live to me, can Superior output 5.1 instead of relying on Scope mixers?

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Superior 2 did sound nice.
I want to keep everything in Kontakt for live work though and since these instrumnets all sound the same using the same types of drum sounds having Kontakt as a Surround instrument is something I need to consider. PianoTeq Pro is also Surround and since it's a CPU instead of Memory intensive instrument it strikes a good balance.
I have been having fun with the Scope Z Matrix Surround Panner and I can actually
use it with the DAS and JLCooper for all sorts of neat tricks in Surround. But having the Instruments already set up in the ASIO Source module is a great way to get started w/ Surround for live work.
I actually need to buy more Barbettas but I got a great 5.1 already and need 7.1 to pull off what I want.
5.1 Drums sound really live to me, can Superior output 5.1 instead of relying on Scope mixers?

Unless you're doing real-time encoding/decoding of 5.1 or 7.1 surround mixes, then you're probably really only routing dedicated stereo and mono sends out to the speakers via your A16 (or Xite, or whatever) and moving the mix around that way, right? In this case, then yes, since Superior2 can send separate audio outputs per instrument (or mic setup, etc.), then you could do this type of surround function live - including using the z.Matrix (which I have, and it's very cool).

On the other hand I don't know about the surround convolution in Kontakt. Reverbs are a whole other story.

When I still had my A16 I fantasized about flying sound around 16 speakers (using Z-matrix), including overhead, in dome theaters. Almost got the chance a few years ago, and may get the chance again this year.

So, what are you doing for the .1 sub crossover? Gonna make peoples' bones rattle?

Greg

Using Multiple Reverbs that are stereo converted to mono work the best.
Reminiscient of the old Lexicon 480L mono split configuration.
I am still experimenting so once I have a good set up I will share.
The Barbettas have miniature PA interfaces in the rear.
So I can have multiple I/O's per cabinet or just mono.
It sounds good as is with 5 cabinets.
But I am looking at going solo since these type of gigs are less work, better pay and more artistic freedom. The key to this is small nearfields as these type of gigs are small, and then placing 8 monitors around a certain area, all small Blue Sky's etc.
No live performers around here are doing this, and it helps having the same gig like I have doing the Piano Improv thing, but most solo Piano gigs the guys wear scuffed up shoes play w/o any sound re inforcement and are basically sliding by. Offering something unique like a " Surround Piano Improv " slogan offers much more than the usual cheeze.

Yup, you should be able to do some wowin' and zowin' with those.

Also, creative use of walls for reflective big-speaker approach could be interesting.

Greg

I have 2 x pairs of these and a 41 Sub from the big stage days..
I want 7 x Blue Sky's and the 8 " Sub....
They are steep but damn they sound good. I would need to buy 5 as I have the 2.1 but never use it much.

Hey jimmy did you try Addictive Drums? If not give it a try! Many different kits and a great interface.

Personally i'm a BFD2 fan myself - i really need the Evil Drums expansion though for the sounds that i want (and sounds like Jimmy wants too).

Why don't you guys post some snippets through the Scope cards so I can hear what they sound like....? I'd do it for you.........

Ankyu...

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Why don't you guys post some snippets through the Scope cards so I can hear what they sound like....? I'd do it for you.........

Ankyu...

OK, OK, here's a little ditty I've been toying with to dial in some raw drum mixes.

A sprinkle of PsyQ and bxDigital in the master with a bit of compression, Masterverb and EQ.
Tomorrow I do a test mix through the FP mixers

Greg

Nice....where Addictive Brotha' Man Fluxpod......

mp3's lack the good round low end that's why I can never buy downloaded music for listening, just learning. The CD's still manage to have a better sound, even Redbook.
I like the High Hat and Toms, it was what I noticed about SD2. It's an all in one package and very polished. But the sounds are pretty much the same in terms of realism and quality. But SD2 and Heavyocity are the top shelf drum apps that for sure.
If I didn't like my hardware and DSP effects I would go for a VST package.
There's talk of a MIDI Sequencer for Scope from a developer and I would love to have that and then be able to use STS for drums and VDAT.
I like these sequencer apps but I got so use to the BRC w/ ADAT's PTools and a Mac I just enjoy VRC-S and VDAT more. It sounds great but reminds me of the '90's when we were rolling in the money and songs were a breeze to write. The pre roll of the tape and cued punch ins are just second nature to me.
I bet having a Receptor and SD2 w/ triggers would be much better than those crappy Roland Yamaha sounds these Vegas guys use. That would be a great rig.
The electronic kits sound canned and remind me of those annoying Simmons Toms from the '80's.....
Thanks Bro and if those are your chops they ain't bad for a white guy...

BTW the Hilton had several pre show parties and private viewings and the 6GB SATA SSD's and the new small form factor ii56's are the talk of the town. The CPU I wanted might work but the memory controller is double the latency from being on the GPU of the new Clarksdale CPU's.......I can't make it to Sandy Bridge in 2011. My shit will fry by then.

do you have Stige's drumkit for STS samplers?

No I don't.
I shall look for it now.
I haven't fired up STS yet.

http://www.xlnaudio.com/ Quite a few audio demos on the webpage.

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Nice....where Addictive Brotha' Man Fluxpod......

mp3's lack the good round low end that's why I can never buy downloaded music for listening, just learning. The CD's still manage to have a better sound, even Redbook.
I like the High Hat and Toms, it was what I noticed about SD2. It's an all in one package and very polished. But the sounds are pretty much the same in terms of realism and quality. But SD2 and Heavyocity are the top shelf drum apps that for sure.

Yeah, I rolled off some of the lows, and the mpukee just gobbled the rest of the lows and mids.
Sounded pumpin' here though.
FLACs are better IMO.

Greg