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I really like the look of these Zarg Music synths.
From reading older posts on here i gather the Zarg version of Pro One is better than SC?

How much DSP do they use? Im assuming it cant be any more than Minimax?
I have a Pulsar 2 so DSP is an issue for me.

I'd really like to try them out but i think they're having problems generating trial keys for Scope v5 at the moment

I first bought the Pro-Wave because I had some MIDI note-hanging issues on the Pro-12, and I wanted a similar kind of synth. They can be very close, but the Pro-Wave has a lot more to offer: you can load Wavetable OSCs instead of the usual CEMs (hence the "wave" part of the name), or you can load other SpaceF / Zarg modules. Same goes for the filter (4 or 5 types as default, including the wonderful SSM, and the ability to load spacef and zarg filter modules) and the insert section is much better and extensive. Also, it has a loopable envelope, and slightly better modulation design. As compared to the Pro-12, that is.

What's more, the Pro-Wave comes with a modular shell- this means that you can load it into modular and add all sorts of modules to it, while taking advantage of the presets.

I don't have the Pro-One, so I can't compare them, but the Pro-Wave is one Scope synth I never get tired of recommending. If you like the Pro-12 architecture and sound, this is a really good option. I think that it's possible to get a time-limited demo version, but, as everybody seems to be busy busy at S|C right now, it might take a while

Cheers,

T

of the S/C and John Bowen Pro Ones, they are very similar, but one is modeled on an early model and the other on a later(SSM and CEM chips).

stardust wrote:Forget the fuzz.
Protone and proone are the same DSP design by John Bowen just renamed. The 3.0 version of John Bowen's Proone though has some nice goodies. Have a look here

pro-12 is an excellent synth as the original prophet plus is by John Bowen.
The difference according to the designer legen John Bowen is the filter modelling (CEM vs SSM chip emulation)

Yep... Zargmusic ProOne is IMHO more powerful since it have more filter types(really there is more) - thus different shaping and sound territory - completely different then SC Protone. That said SC synth is also nice. You should contact John Bowen of Zargmusic to get demo key...

I did send a request to Zarg music too but never got a reply. I can appreciate they're all busy and v5 is not yet finished after all

It was the wavetable oscs that drew me to Pro Wave at first, but after a closer look it does much more im interested in.

Another question.. I own Pro 12/Profit 5 and since it comes from the same family as the Pro One..
Is there really much difference in sound between the ProTone and Pro 12/Profit 5?

Do the raw oscillators sound very different?
Ive heard about the filters being modelled on different chips but does this make a drastic change in sound?

Basically if you were to program a simple saw wave and filter patch on both, would you be able to tell them apart in a mix?

Cant help wondering all this due to them looking so similar

yes, they're all a little different. you'd be able to tell the difference in the mix if you were familiar with synths, although you might need to hear them all to be able to pick one out from the other. all of them will do a lot of the same things(or very, very similar), but all will do something that the others won't...

Mydriasis wrote: Another question.. I own Pro 12/Profit 5 and since it comes from the same family as the Pro One..
Is there really much difference in sound between the ProTone and Pro 12/Profit 5? ...

I have Pro One, Profit 5 and even Solaris and would still get the ProWave...
if my focus wouldn't be on 'real' string instruments atm
... just got a late 80s Fender Jazzbass made in Japan... (sorry John, but I know you'll understand)

cheers, Tom

I emailed John Bowen again and he has sent me a demo version of ProWave. WOW

On my 6 DSP Pulsar 2 i can get 4/5 voices max, with anything else running.
But thats fine, the sound quality is worth it and im running Scope into Cubase so can easily record parts in

John said he would also send a Pro One demo when he returns home later in the week, looking forward to trying that one as well.

Only problem is that i cant afford both at the moment

Mydriasis wrote:I emailed John Bowen again and he has sent me a demo version of ProWave. WOW

On my 6 DSP Pulsar 2 i can get 4/5 voices max, with anything else running.
But thats fine, the sound quality is worth it and im running Scope into Cubase so can easily record parts in

John said he would also send a Pro One demo when he returns home later in the week, looking forward to trying that one as well.

Only problem is that i cant afford both at the moment

ProWave is one of my absolute favourite Scope synths. Simple user interface - very powerful sound and very flexible.

There are some extra presets here:
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=22663
and
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26851

but if you're using the wav osciallators beware that they can crash so read the instructions in the first post first.

ProWave also has an RD slot, which means you can load any of the Zarg RD modules or the SpaceF BlackBox modules. Super flexible.

Ben

Thanks i'll try out those wav oscillators.
Ive been using sampled and cycled oscillators in my sampler for a while now but it'll be nice having them go through those filters.

The demo i have is actually v1 and looking at v2 there are some really nice new features.

Only thing im gutted about is that on the Zarg website its priced 149 Euro, i worked this out to be £134 - Cool i can afford that

But when trying to purchase the website link changes the price to £176 Not sure if its a bug with the site or something

i'd check with John B. he's a real guy and very approachable...

I dont see them listed as a bundle anywhere?
But that would be very good!

The prices seem to be a bug with the share*it checkout on the zarg music site. The price from EUR stays the same when listed in GBP. Plus its adding 19% VAT on afterwards yet the Sonic Core website says 149 EUR inclusive of 19%VAT.

On the other hand Pro One is cheaper on the Zarg site than SC

I'll email John and find out

stardust wrote:Protone and proone are the same DSP design by John Bowen just renamed. The 3.0 version of John Bowen's Proone though has some nice goodies. Have a look here

pro-12 is an excellent synth as the original prophet plus is by John Bowen.
The difference according to the designer legen John Bowen is the filter modelling (CEM vs SSM chip emulation)

Actually I didn't make the ProTone (which was called the Pro One before Creamware went insolvent the first time - but that's another story). This was put together by Matthias Klag at Creamware, after they got a SCI Pro One in the house and found out a few things that were not available in the Scope SDK library. One thing was the SDK Voice Control module that provided the keytracking signal for the filter cutoff did not have glide from the keyboard. Well, the real Pro One allows glide to go to the filter keytrack as well. Since Matthias worked for the company, he requested them to code up a new module that provided this special signal, which no 3rd party got to have...at least, for a while

The other special module was an emulation of the SCI Pro One's step sequencer, which Matthias also had the engineers code up. At the time I made my version of the Pro One, the only sequencer module was this really bloated module used in the SB404, so I had to figure it out (no documentation!) and stick it into my Pro One. (It's the same one I use in the Solaris, by the way.) Other differences - I also added an arpeggiator module, and some of the ADSR and Filter cutoff value ranges are 'wider' than a stock Pro One, or the version Matthias made.

So you will find these differences, but I'm not sure about the filter design exactly - I don't know for sure what module is used inside the ProTone, but my older Pro One version has their first rendition of the CEM filter. (Of course now I have a both filters in there, as well as ladder, band- and high-pass variants, and also an inverter for the Filter envelope).

cheers,
john b.

p.s. My version is actually called the Wine Country Pro One, or just WC Pro One.
p.p.s I did finally get to add glide to the filter cutoff keytrack, by the way

Prowave, Solaris & QWave have the seperate Oscillator glide that no other synths have.
Now days people don't seem to think it's an important feature, but it's what they used on the big jobs back when Analog giants ruled the Earth.
It makes the digital synths appear to be real when an rmulation this close is used.
But sometimes digital is what people want too.
I prefer everything.
I love Flexor and Modular, but I really like them when they can be used in a Bowen synth.
I have RD inserts, Modular Gated, and Modular Osc/Filter shells in my inserts.
When you really want Modular to sound like an Analog synth, this is the only way.
Below is an example of taking Modular into the world of Bowen.
Cheezy little snippett from an old UK favorite I had the pleasure to work with.

yum.

Greg

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Prowave, Solaris & QWave have the seperate Oscillator glide that no other synths have.
Now days people don't seem to think it's an important feature, but it's what they used on the big jobs back when Analog giants ruled the Earth.

I actually saw one of your older posts about Polyglide and heard your demo mp3. wow!

Having never owned one of those big analog polys, until now i didnt know of such a feature but ive certainly heard it in use

Just bought ProWave and im waiting for a licence key. Cant wait!

Thanks to everyone who posted in here

Waiting for keys sucks big Butts.
To help sooth your pain I recently discovered a Modular shell that actually recalls presets.
It also has MIDI but unfortunately I can't get the contents of the shell to respond to MIDI. They however were designed to work SubModevZ Modules.
But I put the effects from Modular I like into a shell into the Prowave Effects Insert slots.
This way I can use Shroomz' smokin' stereo Tubes.
I also really like Flexor's CM2 Comb Filter, which is basically a chorus but I suppose scientifically it's a comb, I really don't care about that but I do care about it's kick ass Phase when slow rates are used, and it's rich Chorus controlled by a Sine LFO.
To seal the deal Roy's Stereo Width module,and then the only EQ I use for synths as it has many different coloring schemes just like the ancient old Poltec EQ's have.
UAD has a really excellent Poltec too but DAS's is just as good and way cheaper. Another good benefit of Scope.....
I literally have dozens of Modular shells for Oscillators, Filters and complete effects devices, and any Bowenite is a friend of mine.
Don't Be SHy..

That sounds incredible.. So by using prowave as a modular shell you can use any combination of oscillators, filters and fx with the polyglide and other features.
Ive just started making modular patches (although very basic), this will be keeping me busy for a long time.

And now comes the lust for more DSP power!

Here's my fave Oscillator Insert Shell.
With so many options available simultaneously the C4T is perfect.
Then you have Waldorf Waves too.
Most MultiOscillators have the options, but they don't each have an audio output and play simultaneously.
I can even get Synth EPianos kind of..

They sent me a keyfile but it didnt work. So still waiting on another.. hopefully it'll work ok.
Slightly worried because i tried getting trial keys for Prodyssey and ProTone but neither worked after quite a few tries.

Really cant wait to be using this in some of my projects.

Those C4T oscillators sound good, are they part of a modular pack available to buy?