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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 7:41 am
by ttoz
Hi I have a few questions and just thought it would be easier to ask them all in the same thread..Any infor would be appreciated...
1)On my Asus Cusl2-c motherboard I use 1 pulsar II plus 2 Pulsar II srb. They are the ONLY pci cards in my system. I use a radeon ve agp card.I have usb disabled in bios, as I don't use it, with 815 chipset that means usb doesn't even exist in windows..its great!!All my pulsar cards are happily on irq 10 and I have plenty more irq's left..system is stable...So according to what I have read, I should set my pci latency timer in bios to 255?(the maximum). From what I have heard this can be a bad idea if you have other pci devices installed..but since my system ONLYhas pulsar's in it...what would you recommend???
2) Doesn anyone have any information at all as to whether curent devices will have incompatibilities with Pulsar Os3.. I don't expect definite answers here as it's not yet released, just thought someone might have inside info...
3) I am curious about triple dat effects, not the recording...I would never use triple dat to track as I am so used to Saw Studioor Logic, and they are great..Howvere, $249 Euro seems to be a good price to pay for a whole bunch of effects including noise restoration..So this is my question to anyone who knows...If I buy the triple dat plug in can all the effects be used seperately in my Pulsar project as any other pulsar effect, or do they work only in conjunction with triple dat recording software?? Are the effects any good??
4)Does anyone know anything about the Intel Application Accelerator, which has replaced the ide driver for 800 series chipsets. Some people say intel ide drivers steal cpu cycles..Anyone know???
Thanks alot guys and gals,
Take care
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 8:14 am
by krizrox
Hey I already responded to this same question in the Creamware forum but after reading it again here, AND looking at the SAW website, I'd have to say...
don't waste your money.
It's not that tripleDAT is not worth the money (it is) but if you are using this SAW program already and happy with it, I can't imagine why you would want to take a step backwards into tripleDAT.
You must already have various effects plug-ins (both Direct X and VST) which are probably superior to the 5+ year old effects in tripleDAT. Osiris might be a compelling reason to buy, but there are probably other noise reduction programs on the market now that are just as good.
If Creamware had kept on top of tripleDAT, I might have a different response. But clearly, they haven't devoted any resources to the program in years and as good as it still is, there are obviously newer and better recording packages out on the market now. That's just my 2 cents.
BTW: I would love to hear/read some point/counterpoint to all this. I'm not seeing any responses from other tripleDAT users in any of these forums. Have they all abandoned ship? Maybe they just haven't invested in the DSP technology yet?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 8:32 am
by ttoz
Hey there it's the same guy different nic I just thought I would post the same question on the two best Pulsar forums..Maybe everyone reads both anyway, so to anyone who thinks this is overkill, sorry!!!
The main answer I am looking for is really the one about the pci latency timer and the concerns about tripledat.....
See although I use Logic Audio for Midi and Audio, and Saw for audio only, it might be handy to have a convenient all in one integrated package like Tripledat on some audio projects, especially mastering(as long as I can use Pulsar effects in the triple dat software)...
Also, I know there are other noise restorators around, but overall I like the idea of having more effects for pulsar, so I can lean less towards native cpu hogging effects...
It might just be worth my while..I am in no hurry, I will just see where this discussion leads....
cheers
TTOZ
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 8:46 am
by marcuspocus
For the pci latency, this is only usefull if you get PCI OVERFLOW, as it slow down traffic, it eliminate alot of those overflow.
With ONLY Creamware card's and a CUSL2-C, keep it at default of 32. This is the fastest you can get with this board. YOu won't notice anything yourself, but the sync between the 3 card's should be better, i meen, you won't get 'lost connection' message from board{0} thingy.
Also, the best sharing configuration of those three card's should be pci 1-4-5 or 1-3-5 (1&5 are already sharing) and configure in BIOS the same IRQ for all of them.
Hope this helps.
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 8:56 am
by ttoz
thanks man, but slot 1 should never be used for pulsars as it shares the same Irq as the agp bus....in any chipset I have seen this...maybe I am doing something wrong????
Also, yes I have used my bios to set all to irq 10..which leaves me with a question..why not slots 2,3 and 4??????
Also, I understand about the latency timer better now thanks..Now I realise why occasionally I get the error messages..only thing is I get 10 timeworks reverbs on latency 32 between my three cards before i get the overflow..with latency at 128, I get 11 sometimes 12, with latency at 255, i get 13 sometimes 14..
BIG difference...this is something I will have to think about, whether to put up with more frequent error messages in exchange for more plugs, sample power or If i want close to 100% stability...Soemthing that will help in my decision..other than the error messages you mentioned, does having the pci latency timer high cause any other problems//for example latency issues in plug ins and stuff? Also what do you exactly mean when you say that by setting it at 32.....I have the fastest setting???
Cheers,
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 9:03 am
by subhuman
Slots 1+5 share, and they work great for my cards. I think Slot 2 is unshared. This is specific to each motherboard (actually may depend on chipset), so be sure you look in your motherboard manual for a small chart that explains which slots are shared.
BTW, you shouldn't have any problems using the onboard USB on an i815 based motherboard like the CUSL2C. It doesn't travel through the PCI bus, but instead connects directly to the ICH2 hub. The extra USB ports (attached with the ribbon cable) do travel through the PCI bus though.
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 9:07 am
by ttoz
thanks guys....
hey MarcusPocus, or Subhuman, do either of you use the intel busmaster drivers??? what u think???
Also, Subhuman, just wondering what you have your pci latency set at, and what your view is on that....you put these things together for a living, so I am going to trust your judgement!!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 9:55 am
by krizrox
Also, I know there are other noise restorators around, but overall I like the idea of having more effects for pulsar, so I can lean less towards native cpu hogging effects... It might just be worth my while
Response: TripleDAT does not run under DSP control - that includes the effects.
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 9:59 am
by ttoz
U mean that Tripledat uses native cpu??????
definitely a no then..
!!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2001 11:02 am
by krizrox
The new version of tripleDAT uses native CPU and resources. Frankly, I don't see this as a bad thing. I can run well over 24 tracks with multiple FX loaded and still have room left over (on a 750MHz PIII w/256 RAM).
Do the programs you have now run under DSP control?