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SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:19 pm
by voidar
I've put these to use in an alternate fashion lately finding their use on drums a bit extreme and invasive on the original sound.
If you are happy with how the drum hits (i.e. kick, snare, toms) sound and you are only worried about bleed, I find the Attacker and alternatively the TD, invaluable as a side-chaining tool.

Consider a PEQ4 -> Attacker-stage (fully CW and attenuated not to clip) side-chaining an Expander -> Vinco-stage i.e.
Attacker virtually eliminates any bleed and thus giving you a nice trigger for your gate/expander and compressor. The side-chained compressor stage really brings out the drum hits and you will be surpriced on how little post-EQ you might require, if any at all.

Important! Don't forget to delay your processed drum-hit by +40 samples as a look-ahead to protect your transients. The TD i.e. introduces a 40 sample delay.
Likewise, all drum tracks in the mixer should be delayed to preserve phase-relations.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:00 am
by dawman
I would love a routing window jpeg of that.
Those plugs are on a short list.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:27 am
by voidar
You and your pictures ;)..

ot as pretty as 5.0, but here goes. A current picture from that post-metal project.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:10 pm
by dawman
Thanks BuddyBuddy... :wink:
I was more interested in the routing than the device jpegs but having both was total Coolness................ankyu.
When I started recording drum tracks into VDAT and using those live I learned how to SideChain and I was shocked how the instruments playing live mixed with the recorded tracks and sounded quite realistic thanks the SideChainbg vocals over cymbals, Kick over 5 String and Synth basses.
I gotta get the SPL stuff.
These tips are very useful can't wait tio try them...................Ankyu.............

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:26 am
by voidar
My pleasure.

The settings are obviously just in the ball park. It all depends on the tracking.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:25 am
by musurgio
Hi,
Nice...
I am glad you are using my device " Tube taper" !!
Regards,
Dimitrios

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:40 am
by voidar
I'm glad to have it :)! It impacts a lot of good character on some sources and saves a lot of work.
I wish we had more "character" devices like these for the system. I could technically build some myself, but I think I am a bit in the dark about the workings.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:44 am
by dawman
What's cool about the few I have is they all have certain places.
I love Tube Taper, DAS Legend, SpaceF Fat's, MCCY's SatEQ, and the ancient Shroomz ECC thingy.
Tupe Taper has 2 versions just like the FAT's which is great for Mono synths and Kicks.
These type of effects SideChained are great as they expand and contract.
I don't know how these developers made these all sound so different. But they are addicting.
It seems like once you start using them in a mix, it ain't fair just raising the volume of another track, you have to add one of the above.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:14 am
by ChampionSound
Thanks for this tip voidar, totally makes sense.
I wonder how one can calculate the sample delay of a certain fx module. Is there a sort of sample delay calculator to apply on any device that I'm not aware of?
Thanks again!

cheers Darcy

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:54 am
by Mr Arkadin
What's the SD800-S - is that what you use to delay? Where's it from?

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:11 am
by Shroomz~>
Mr Arkadin wrote:What's the SD800-S - is that what you use to delay? Where's it from?
Guilty. It's a stereo 0-800 sample delay I made a couple of years ago.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:56 am
by voidar
ChampionSound wrote:Thanks for this tip voidar, totally makes sense.
I wonder how one can calculate the sample delay of a certain fx module.
cheers Darcy
Most devices introduce no sample delay at all though they might be displaced onto different SHARCs which will cause a 1-2 sample delay.

The SPL stuff has a 40 sample delay or so, give or take. You can use my free device Parallizer to manually test devices.
I plan on updating Parallizer soon.

I just today discovered how awesome the Impressor is. It can be configured as an expander and I feel it works better than the stock one; smoother and more control. Impressor also has look-ahead which replaces the SD800 in the project.

Also really great 2buss compressor. :)
Can't believe I haven't used it before.

Re: SPL Transient Designer/Attacker (alternate use)

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:50 pm
by dante
I am glad you are using my device " Tube taper" !!
Regards,
Dimitrios
I use TubeTaper on every mix, on low settings. Doesnt need much but a great FX.