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There are already many countries infected with Swine Flu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu

It seems to be an extremely serious situation.

Suspicious to me I have to say, if we think about all the avian flu matter, which is similar to this one:

http://www.mamashealth.com/infect/avianflu.asp

We are starting to pay what we owe it seems, destroying everything around...

engineered.

Not the flu season, it's coming out of mexico & not asia...that's interesting. Although Mexico City is incredibly polluted and has a huge 'mixing pot' of humans at the disposal of any mutating disease vector.

IIRC, in 1918 the problem with that H1N1 flu is that a healthy individual (young adults typically) wouldn't be killed by the flu virus itself. Rather their body would mount an attack intended for the virus that was so debilitating it killed the individual. Weaker immune systems didn't suffer to the same degree and so the old & young (typical flu targets) were surviving in greater numbers instead. A 'reverse curve'... Also the 1918 H1N1 started off with just weaker flu symptoms, and mostly 'went away'. It returned in October that year and had a 2 year run which is where the devastating deaths occured.

Baxter pharm. "accidentally" sent a lethal "bird flu" virus out to several vaccine production facilities and labs in December. This wasn't caught until a specific lab in the Czech Republic decided to test their vaccine on ferrets before distributing it, and kept pushing their findings back upstream and got the news out to the media as well. Baxter is apparently already being considered to produce a vaccine for the coming "pandemic".

Also interesting for the paraniod is the fact that the 1918 H1N1 virus was 'recovered' a few years back and distributed to various labs around the world for 'testing' and 'experimentation'.

In the 1970's there was a 'swine flu' vaccine that wound up paralyzing a large enough percentage of the vaccine recipients to now be infamous for its side effects.

Lastly, the US is now officially in a Public Health Emergency

----more information----
Ars: Understanding the outbreak: an influenza biology primer

Ars: Tracking—and separating—the hype from the swine flu outbreak

US CDC page on the Flu/Swine Flu

BBC has some reports forwarded from people in mexico:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm

Google swine flu map

http://www.pigflumap.com/

http://www.healthmap.org/en (shows all disease reports by default, selectable on left)

So as a semi-counterpoint to GaryB's take on things, I would give ~30% odds on this being an engineered situation. Mexico city (having been there) is not exactly a shining beacon of cleanliness (there are communities of people living in simple housing constructed within garbase dumps for instance). Interestingly the hot season has already begun in Mexico, and this is the type of weather that typically suppresses flu outbreaks since it cuts down its ability to communicate dramatically.

And then at the same time there's been ongoing conflict with well-funded 'drug lords' and militants there for some time. Tack on the 'recovery' of the last H1N1 virus, with no known deconstruction & analysis of the current virus yet. Also some are pointing at Obama (co-incidentally?) visiting Mexico at the moment this begins.

And in further "terror" news, a 'top-secret photo-op' today in NYC managed to vacate several buildings in a panic both within NYC and across the river in Jersey. What was the photo-op? A low-flying Air Force One (technically AF 2) with a 'fighter escort' flying low enough people thought it was going to hit buildings.

if there is a vaccine, it's doubly suspicious. the time needed to manufacture exceeds the bug's effective lifespan.

an engineered bug can still be allowed a reasonable path of transmission. it's easily done and has been done many times before, by official, written admission.

who knows, really? it seems to be an excellent excuse for martial law. anyone been to Mexico City in the last few days?

at any rate, this thing should mutate into harmlessness in the next week or two, if it's a "wild" bug(as though influenza is anything but a suspicious bug from the first). weaponized influenza definitely has been produced by all the big shots who like to do such research.

personally, i think it's possible that it's mass hysteria. i wouldn't be surprised that there might be a lot of deaths among Mexico's poor....

Mass Hysteria, quite possibly.

I also thought aboutl the Sars 'outbreak' during the buildup to Iraq...so it might be good to pay attention to what's going on elsewhere right now.

they want you to obey... they want you to disregard to the financial crisis and the victims, they want you to put in the mood of fright. And they still make the goal. It's impressive to see how consolidation of brains by consolidation of media works in a global environment. You may also want to refer to h5n1. It is rather implausible being part of a book by Stephen King and being killed by captain trips. A car accident however is not.

It's also good to consider how many die every year from 'normal' flu, and yet those numbers are significant but there's no 'the sky is falling' stigma attached to them and they're certainly underreported.

Fear, Hype, Media propoganda, all of the above. Yeah, some people are getting sick, and dying. That's a part of planet Earth.

The old, compromised immune systems, & very young, 3rd world countries (just cuz they can't treat it well or fast enough) MIGHT be more susseptable....

Considering tens of thousands die in car crashes every year, hundres of thousands from cancer & heart didease, in America and millions around the world, all of this is just for headlines. The media should be ashamed of themselves...how can these people even live with themselves.

This too shal pass

I have many Mexican buddies that have family down there, and this is no joke.
They claim Obama brought it down to them, which seems stupid really, but right after he shook some chaps hand he died within days... ...Mexicans are deeply religious and very superstitious people. So I understand their fear of Government and corruption.
Bush's advisors warned Obamas transition team about Pakistan & Mexico being a problem in the immediate future, and the never spoken of Drug War that we Americans in the SW USA have known about for years, suddenly is getting attention, and now the " Pandemic " can be added to the drug war. Pakistan has relinquished it's NW territory to the Taliban and Al Queda......
Barrack did say he wanted to cross the border to his constituants.....
This " Pandemic " will allow the new administration to close the borders without fear of angering the general public. As more people die the public will demand the border shut down.
Now the new boys in DC get their dream come true by placing the National Guard down there with 100% public approval polls.
While we criticize the Government for spending Trillions w/o reading the Bills being passed because there was an " Urgency " to do so, this is a way for Obama to fill the vacant posts with Sibelious despite her tax troubles, and once again because of public demand.
These guys are Brilliant IMHO. By years end we will have the Pakistan government inviting us to invade their country.
As Immanuel has said publicly over and over, we only need a good crisis to push forward new legisaltion......
Sorry for the rant, but these were my concerns.

As far as my friends are concerned, many Las Vegas folks have gone to Mexico for vacation, and the cheap price of prostitution. In vegas the Government run Whore Houses are seeing record profits and price hikes too. One can hardly get his favorite Gal in working condition w/o lengthy reservations.....
So lots of guys are happy their Weiners haven't fallen off after a trip to Tijuana for the weekend......a little Flu or being kidnapped by Drug Gangs is the last of their worries...

Now Israel says that it should be called the Mexican flu because swine offend Muslims and Jews.
Mexicans say calling it the Mexican flu offends Mexicans. so lets call it the Mexican Swine Flu to offend the maximum amount of idiots.
who are offended by a name when the actual flu itself could kill people.

and as for a conspiracy, i doubt it, most of the people who would be likely to do something like that do not believe in science and all that "elitist egghead" stuff, they would probably just pray for god to kill them.

You better pack up some Tamiflu. Norway bought 1.4 million doses to target an eventual bird flu pandemic (we're a population less than 5,000,000 people up here). It turned out to have no effect on bird flu, so they cancelled the pandemic it seems. But hey, it seems to work brilliantly on pig flu, which is a nice side-effect.

Now, lets just hope the virus doesn't mutate with the bird flu to be resistent to the wonders of drugs.

And most of all, lets pray that pigs doesn't mutate with birds. If we get flying pigs spreading their flying-pig flu we will face some serious consequences.

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I would love to have a Bar-B-Q with some of them there Flyin' Pigs..............
The truth about torture in Guantanamo is becoming public now and I'll bet they starved the militants into eating BBQ'd Ribs......the water boarding was just to get the sauce off of their faces.

You're makin' me hungry...when is the BBQ???

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I would love to have a Bar-B-Q with some of them there Flyin' Pigs..............
The truth about torture in Guantanamo is becoming public now and I'll bet they starved the militants into eating BBQ'd Ribs......the water boarding was just to get the sauce off of their faces.

yeah welcome to captain trips - your stroy will now end. Try some Unkaloabo before you meet the lord.

I have many, many friends in Mexico... in the DF too. We have now more than 100 death

a three species virus...how unlikely...but planned for....


btw- Tamiflu is a good way to go mad and still die. has anyone seen the side effects for that stuff?

All joking aside,
This strain is spreading like crazy.

I'm trying to comunicate with them in Mexico. Once I know what is going on, I'll let you know the truth about it, as it is in their experience.

I've got friends in San Antonio (used to live there) saying there's a small nearby county already shut down with some high schoolers having allegedly contracted it. San Antonio isn't shut down yet but there's a lot of talk...

It's also apparently "allegedly" near where I live now, supposedly in Idaho (I live in Eastern WA state fwiw).

If this is some abnormal mutation (or something poorly engineered by humans) we can expect to see the lethality die down as it loses effectiveness, but of course again the same thing was said about the 1918 H1N1 until it resurrected itself in full form in October and did its business...