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Hi guys,
I have a creamware 15dsp card and it creates heat, a lot more then normal pci cards (or airplain engines).
Is there is anything that can be done to make it use less power or shut it off somehow when im not recording?
Thanks!!!

no, dsps put out heat.

There is no way to temporary stop power supply to the pci bus?

majistik wrote:There is no way to temporary stop power supply to the pci bus?

if you cut power, the dsps unload! other than heat in your case, why are you worried?

garyb wrote:

majistik wrote:There is no way to temporary stop power supply to the pci bus?

if you cut power, the dsps unload! other than heat in your case, why are you worried?

Only that extreme heat the may cause damage to the card over the years..
I know the dsp wont work when the power is off - I dont use my card 24\7

Do you know what your headline "global warming" means???

rhythmaster wrote:Do you know what your headline "global warming" means???

It's a meaningless bullshit phrase created by meaningless bullshit governments.

majistik wrote:Only that extreme heat the may cause damage to the card over the years..
I know the dsp wont work when the power is off - I dont use my card 24\7

How often do you use the card?

If you use it once a month, having it running all the time is probably reducing the usable lifespan for you (since you might use it only 12 times in a year!) and generating unnecessary heat. Once a week even, perhaps a dedicated Scope PC might be an option, so you can turn it on as needed?

Personally I use my cards almost every day (but not quite) and I use the machine the cards are in multiple times a day. I feel confident in running the system 24/7 & 365 days of the year with adequate cooling. Turning my machines on & off frequently has (in my experience) damaged more gear here than leaving it on at a stable temperature with adequate cooling. My Scope PC isn't even my primary PC btw...

to be a bit more direct...
once powered on, a running system may draw less energy than a comparable one that is frequently powercycled. The current needed to startup is dozens if not hundred times higher than what keeps the system running.

the risk of damaged parts rises with the number of power cycles
new parts need energy to be produced/distributed
probably more energy than consumed by a constantly running machine ...

I don't remember the exact value, but a single Sharc dissipates (less than) 10 Watt under full load and (possible) 2-3 Watt idle, adding up to 50 Watt...

cheers, Tom
...yes, I bought the Plasma version of the Telly because it has a higher heat dissipation, as there's no heating on that side of the wall...

Think how much heat a big mixer, a whole rack of effects, synths and other goodies would create. let alone the energy and materials used to create them, and the wire to connect them together.
you are fighting global warming!

and yes it would be good to turn it off when you are not using it because electrolytic capacitors will eventually wear out but we are talking in the decades here. everything else on there should last even longer.

that stuff doesn't cause "climate change", sorry.

no it is caused by the earths natural heating and cooling cycle. which we happen to be near the top of.

it does cause unwanted studio warming in the summer though,

and its more efficient to heat your room with equipment that actually does something useful for you than heating up a resistor or burning gas just to make heat.

im heating my computer room with folding @ home and battlefield 2142 at the moment

yes, only a bad thing in summer...

Neutron wrote:no it is caused by the earths natural heating and cooling cycle. which we happen to be near the top of.

Yea, just like with the current economic situation.

No one's seen the bottom of the economic pit, we didn't even know there was such a pit, and we don't know weither it has a bottom at all.
No one's seen to top of your supposedly natural cycle, nor do we know if there is one this time, or weither humanity will live to see it.

What I know, is that climate predictions for in 100 years postulated 10 years ago, are reality right now, 10x faster than estimated back then. The top of the scientific community estimates we have about 6-7 years to change our excessive energy/carbon consumption, before the chain reaction will run uncontrollably out of hand.

Maybe they're lying, but then it wouldn't be science would it. But that may not be the question, the real question is, do you want to take a chance on humanity?
You better start thinking of a good explanation for your offspring, once they start asking you questions it'd be lame to say "wir haben es nicht gewust".

i might as well go all the way off topic.

at0m wrote:

Neutron wrote:no it is caused by the earths natural heating and cooling cycle. which we happen to be near the top of.

Yea, just like with the current economic situation.

No one's seen the bottom of the economic pit, we didn't even know there was such a pit, and we don't know weither it has a bottom at all.
No one's seen to top of your supposedly natural cycle, nor do we know if there is one this time, or weither humanity will live to see it.

What I know, is that climate predictions for in 100 years postulated 10 years ago, are reality right now, 10x faster than estimated back then. The top of the scientific community estimates we have about 6-7 years to change our excessive energy/carbon consumption, before the chain reaction will run uncontrollably out of hand.

Maybe they're lying, but then it wouldn't be science would it. But that may not be the question, the real question is, do you want to take a chance on humanity?
You better start thinking of a good explanation for your offspring, once they start asking you questions it'd be lame to say "wir haben es nicht gewust".

this is not true, sorry. the warming cycle is over.

btw- ice cores show that CO2 levels rise AFTER warming sets in, which makes sense, since most of the world's CO2 is dissolved in the oceans. water vapor is the main "greenhouse gas" at 95%. human CO2 production is about 3-5% of all CO2 in the atmosphere. that's about .117% of the total greenhouse gasses(CO2 is about 3.6% of all greenhouse gasses). "climate change" is unavoidable. Greenland was once green, remember?

CO2 is VITAL to life on earth. the more CO2, the more the plants grow and the more oxygen there is to breathe! more plants cool the temps, all part of the cycles.
GIVE ME MORE CO2!!!!

the present trends aren't even continuing! the Arctic ice is growing! 100years is not a long enough period of time to declare a trend, this system is HUGE.

I've been known to add a 2nd separate CPU fan duct taped to the inside of the computer case, and put the computer in a closet.

Or just take the case cover off and put it in a closet...

Greg

stardust wrote:How do you know more about the upcoming ice age than about the global warming
All propaganda of the interested parties.

i'm not sure if this was addressed at me. if so, i'll have to give this smilie:

i said the current warming trend has ceased, not that an ice age is coming. technically, we've been in a mini ice age and the high point was in the 1700's. as i remember, the hot point this century was in the 1930's. there are different cycles of warming and cooling, long and short term and that's not propaganda, neither are the CO2/water vapor figures i mentioned.

All based on a view of time that spans a few centuries...

Back to the local view:

Taking the side door off of your computer makes issues with local hotspots quite a bit worse (not to mention noise), which will affect the stability of the machine more in the long-term. Consider a 'pci slot cooler' of decent built (I have one in my Scope machine) or using several intake fans (there's a big debate between 'positive' air pressure and 'negative' air pressure inside of a computer's case) in addition to your exhaust fans.

Most of my cases use 120mm fans for intake & exhaust, ie everything that connects to the outside world is a lower rpm, large fan to still be able to move adequate volumes of air. I also add intake filtering to fans that don't have that taken care of my the case (my cases all have a removeable HEPA filter for the lower front intake fans, which typically blow across the Hardrive cage). I prefer the FilterRight style myself. Although it's non-removeable it easily wipes off with a tissue or paper towel, though there are other alternatives including models that snap onto the fan itself. Combine that with a few decent multispeed fans and you're set. Compared to the stock fans that come with most cases, I can usually achieve more airflow with lower overall noise *and* help prevent dust buildup inside the case (which is more damaging to your dsps than lack of airflow alone).

stardust wrote:

garyb wrote:

stardust wrote:How do you know more about the upcoming ice age than about the global warming
All propaganda of the interested parties.

i'm not sure if this was addressed at me. if so, i'll have to give this smilie:

i said the current warming trend has ceased, not that an ice age is coming. technically, we've been in a mini ice age and the high point was in the 1700's. as i remember, the hot point this century was in the 1930's. there are different cycles of warming and cooling, long and short term and that's not propaganda, neither are the CO2/water vapor figures i mentioned.

Hmm understood. But why do the same figures proove the ice age and not the warming.

Cause it is propaganda ? spin ?

i don't know what you mean. there HAS absolutely been warming, no where near the earth's high point, but warmer then most of us remember(human memories are short). there's no such thing as "stable climate" unless it's man-made...there are much bigger problems to face than this one, one of the big ones is the bureaucracy and taxation that uses "climate change" and the fear of it as a method to rule and control and standardize. cross species chimera genetic manipulation is another.

as i said, i'm not sure exactly what you mean, but scary statistics have always been part of the technique of political manipulation of populations. if those figures are being used by both sides of an argument, that's no surprise. if you actually look at what the real scientists are saying, more and more are calling this "carbon footprint" thing a hoax. major researchers have even come out and said that they were forced to take a positive position on the theory in order to remain working. most of the scientists whose names were placed on the key UN document have since said that they were mistaken or that their names were affixed to the document without their permission, so something foul is afoot. what's to be expected from a world run by bankers and inbred cretins who own the means of mass communication?

Removable HEPA filter? Worn panty's will do for me