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I've recently had another period where I apply my geekly nature to health products. I found some nice products!!

The first is something which is called Miracle Mineral supplement
http://www.miraclems.com/
They have been using this to cure malaria among other things....
Its a simple, non patented, cheap, solution. This means it might actually work ;)



In my search for more info about MMS I learned about Himalayan Crystal Salt. This salt, supposedly, contains all the minerals our body needs. They say it was formed over 250.000.000 years in the Himalayan mountains.


Since I have not been feeling fresh these last months I'm going to try using these products to clean up the body and give it some extra!!

I already have/use chlorella and hemp oil/seeds, which are also worth looking at.


Friday in a week I'll probably start taking the MMS.
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from the link:

"The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worse diseases may be with us. Many diseases are now easily controlled. More than 75,000 disease victims have been included in the field tests in Africa. Scientific clinical trials have been conducted in a prison in the country of Malawi, East Africa. The Malawi government produced identical 99% cure results."

I am critical about both their claims and test methods...
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Oh great!! this mean you will research it further like me, right ?
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Oh this might be sufficient enough for death threaten my mother in law. Heh does it help against ingrown toenails and manic depression as well? Hey...this must be a fantastic product :D
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Well a healthier body and immune system which doesnt have to deal with all the stuff you killed using mms..... it might help with depressions. sure.
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That web site doesnt scream out "I AM A SCAM" one little bit :D
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Ok some more information from another website:

Caution flags rise immediately when the term “miracle” is used to describe anything that amazes us, or when we don’t understand how it does what it does. In this case, it is indeed amazing. However, an explanation of why MMS is so effective as a pathogen destroyer is possible. It’s not the MMS that destroys pathogens; the chlorine dioxide does that. But when you understand the chemistry, you’ll see that it’s not a miracle… it just seems like one. For more than 50 years food companies have used the active ingredients in this supplement to sterilize meat and poultry. Now this same powerful germ-killer can be harnessed by the immune system to safely kill pathogens in the human body. The immune system can use this killer to only attack those germs, bacteria and viruses that are harmful to the body, and does not affect the friendly bacteria in the body nor any of the healthy cells.

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added. The latter two activators are recommended for people with Lyme disease.

“Applications” of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop to a maximum of 15, except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled. A “maintenance application” is six drops, with ¼ teaspoon of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.

The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off. The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.

When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion… harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens. The pathogen – an electron donor – is rendered harmless due to the involuntary surrendering of its electrons to the chlorine dioxide – an electron acceptor – and the resulting release of energy. Oxidized by the chlorine ion, the former pathogen becomes a harmless salt.

This process benefits a body that has become toxic.

Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7. This means that diseased cells are essentially vaporized (i.e., “oxidized”) while healthy cells are unaffected.

Here is how it happens.

Red blood cells that are normal carriers of oxygen throughout the body do not differentiate between chlorine dioxide and oxygen. Therefore, after ingesting the MMS/chlorine dioxide-rich solution, red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide ions that are deposited on the stomach wall where it normally gathers nutrients of various kinds before journeying through the body.

Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH and a positive ionic charge, the “aliens” are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.

For further information ring Geoffrey or Deborah in Australia on 0409 995738 or you can contact them via their website http://www.mmsaustralia.com.au and by email: i...@mmsaustralia.com.au

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Ok can't leave this one out :D

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-d ... ad-science


to give this its own post--and to shorten a bit the other posts on MMS--this is very dangerous and ample warnings are necessary.This is an excerpt from posts Ive had to post on many sites over the past few days to protect others fom harm!!

Its just a FEW of the things showing that the entire basis for MMS is faulty--more can be found at www.lymeneteurope.org under unconventional medicine:

the following statements are just a few that are found on the MMS site and/or purported by others to "explain" how and why MMS works yet it is plain "bad science" --my degrees in developmental bio and the decades spent teaching pre-med and nursing students as well as even more years as a Science ed consultant compels me to refute the following:

1.- false statement: only "bad" microbes are 'negatively' charged and/or pathogens cant survive alkaline environments..

we must not be content to repeat what we have heard or seen written by those selling anything. ANY intro level microbio text will tell you that the following DEADLY pathogens exist and thrive in alkaline environments: enterococcus, erysipelous bacteria, listeria and yes even fungus like aspergillus which has become deadly to many. therefore stating only 'good' bacteria are alkaline is FALSE- also, ingesting an alkaline will make these pathogens more likely to cause harm, NOT "kill" them.

-According to experiments by Weichselbaum et al " when gastric fluids become alkaline microbes do NOT lose their pathogenic properties"...

-also the info re : oxygen and microbes--there are plenty of microbes you DONT want harmed by the increased oxygen thats supposedly occurring and still more "bad" ones left UNharmed--meanwhile NO proof any changes in oxygen are occurring from MMS


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FrancisHarmany wrote:Well a healthier body and immune system which doesnt have to deal with all the stuff you killed using mms..... it might help with depressions. sure.
Well, I better pray for a short and sudden death. That's something I can deal with.
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Zer wrote:
FrancisHarmany wrote:Well a healthier body and immune system which doesnt have to deal with all the stuff you killed using mms..... it might help with depressions. sure.
Well, I better pray for a short and sudden death. That's something I can deal with.
Can you elaborate ? What are you trying to communicate here other then your FUD ?
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Someone I spoke too used ph strips to messure the effect of the mms treatmet. Because the bodies ph balance changes, more alkine.
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stardust wrote:hmmmm is the chlorine dioxide a lab result or happening in real organisms with measurable results

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The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added.
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I dont know if something like this happens in nature if thats what you are asking ?
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chlorine?

no, thanks.
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So I took the supplement for a week or two. The results are noticable for me. Feel fresher/lighter.
When I reached 15 drops I experienced a bit sickness, stomach pain, etc. Around 10 drops I started
getting some diariaa. Other then that, from personal experience, it seems safe.

Last month the "inventor" of mms did an interview, you can watch it and learn about him and what
he discovered, and has been doing with MMS: http://www.projectcamelot.org/jim_humble.html
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How about some vinegar-preserved slices of spiderlegs mixed up with stripes of fried mealworms and a glass of menstruation blood to round up the esoterik kitchen?
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Zer wrote:How about some vinegar-preserved slices of spiderlegs mixed up with stripes of fried mealworms and a glass of menstruation blood to round up the esoterik kitchen?
If you mix that in a large cauldron with wing-of-bat, the venom of a black widow & a hair of the person to consume... you've got an invisibility potion. If you don't tell the person, they won't even know they've disappeared !!
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a good one :D
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You guys are such frequent posters and you give these crap responses ?
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Repost because of the rather unintelligent and poor researched responses of Shroomz and Zer.
FrancisHarmany wrote:So I took the supplement for a week or two. The results are noticable for me. Feel fresher/lighter.
When I reached 15 drops I experienced a bit sickness, stomach pain, etc. Around 10 drops I started
getting some diariaa. Other then that, from personal experience, it seems safe.

Last month the "inventor" of mms did an interview, you can watch it and learn about him and what
he discovered, and has been doing with MMS: http://www.projectcamelot.org/jim_humble.html
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Don't wanna piss on your parade Francis, but that post doesn't really say too much to me that sounds impressive.

If I understand correctly:

10 drops = diarrhoea
15 drops = stomach pain and sickness

So did you have diarrhoea and then consume another 5 drops to see what else could happen?

I don't really understand the usefulness of this test.

And feeling fresher/lighter - there's many things that can do that... stop eating meat for a week or so, for example.

Again, I don't want to sound like a cynical bastard here, and I know for a fact that there's many substances and folk medicines in use around the world that science could learn many things from, but something marketed as a 'miracle'? Sorry but it sounds a bit dodgy to me to say the least.
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