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WTF.... OMG....

We have a city too with a ban on gatherings of over 5 people and a zero tolerance on all annoyances like hooting or street noise etc. But that was after some pretty serious riots, not after some older people complaining about street noise eh.

Flying into Italy since 9/11, in my experience commercial airports are surveilled by the army. It must be special forces since these guys look like they -excuse me the wording- can't even spell their own names correctly. You know, exactly the kind of people you'd want to be patrolling with a gun around their neck.

On top of that, the French got so jealous at Italy's botox president that they also got one now

Jusqu'ici tout va bien, jusqu'ici tout va bien.

Seems facism is alive and well in Italy then. Three constitutes a dangerous group of people now?

Novara's major's decision has been very hardly criticized all around the Country from people of every party (except the xenophobic one he is a member of). Majors have some security powers though and I think that such a decision could be only politically sanctioned by his citizens, although i think that if the majority of them voted for a member of his party, they have to be mentally screwed as well. Sadly this party is quite strong in the northern areas and obviously allied with the psycho-gnome we have in charge.

Regarding the military patrolling towns I'd second what a politician of a small opposition party (not left oriented though) said: "We will have one soldier for every 10 municipalities, doing nothing except going to the bar with a policeman. It's a joke. And to cap it all it's only a provisional measure."

Berlusconi doesn't have any political idea. His only interest is to gain power, expand his business beyond rules and to be safe from some corruption indictments. To pursue these things he has teams that study the fears and the lower pulsions of the population and acts in a way to please them, but he doesn't really care to solve the problems at the root. That is the real nature of the political right, to assume that the masses are made of scared idiots. The deep sadness in my heart when I saw Berlusconi again in power is to suspect that they are right, which is deeply against my instinctive vision of the world that is basically to trust the human mind possibilities.

" The last time soldiers were deployed was to fight a crime wave in Naples"
they might have been better deployed to get the garbarge off of the streets cos the Mafia dont seem to be very good at that do they. But then the problem is that the Mafia aren't actually very good at anything except murder .
Hey we just had the Pope down here in Oz
He stayed at an opus dei hideout in a suburb called Kenthurst ..such a shithole . Nobody in their right mind would live there , it's like so nowhere I can't begin to tell you , but I guess it fits . It's sort of semi rural , that means it's no good for growing and no good for living and absolutely no good for the city. The sort of place where if you are really cheap and tacky and had no taste you'd think it was a good place to be . Does that sound like Italian politics ?? We had some suckarse local bishop complaining that people who's lives were destroyed by predatory priests were just bringing a bad taste to the wonderful World Youth Day . It was called "WYD" . Thank Christ they've gone . To all my Italian friends...sorry but Berlusconi is all yours ...fix it

Mafia (and as far as i can see and guess even police in some way of course) are good in using exposed people as puppets.
And they can use different arguments in comparison with high level politicians, which have to convince even less exposed people.
Wrong political measures added to the ignorance makes lot of this this people TOTALLY exposed.
Somehow it's like setting kind of warfare. Cause the ""'tutelage'"" of this people doesn't come from the government.

It's a luck that things like what happening in Novara are still rare, especially in the South, where often the form of some prohibitions is way more underhand and discriminating, but it's for sure an example of a certain political trend and mind set around here.

As for the noise, in the night and in the day, I hope I'll succeed in posting some example of what's happening here around me with full and subscribed authorization from the authorities.

skwawks wrote:" The last time soldiers were deployed was to fight a crime wave in Naples"
they might have been better deployed to get the garbarge off of the streets ....

What about a multinational force for trying some clean here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Paci ... bage_Patch



Though 700.000 Km^2 is quite a desperate undertaking

>>Though 700.000 Km^2 is quite a desperate undertaking<<
I wonder if a couple of trawlers and a recycling plant on a mother ship would make economic sense . Of course they'd probably throw the crap they didn't want over the side

Probably the only economic sense is related to the economic damage this can bring.

i don't know how the thread got here, but there's a profit to be made in pacific ocean plastic...

A similar concept was introduced in the UK called the 'Criminal Justice Bill'. It caused quite severe protests. It wasn't quite like this though. Instead, it seems to have been introduced specifically to give the police the power to break up illegal outdoor parties & raves. Having said that, it's of course very useful for them to legally break up peaceful public protests & has in fact already been used to do just that AFAIK. In other words... we have no real rights (not that anyone thinking clearly ever thought we did).

Here, especially in the North, often this kind of things are monitored by the police that knows who are into. This isn't the case of raves or event involving a huge number of people, but some dancing clubs for young people and meeting places of a certain kind are monitored.

Sometimes I wonder about the origin and actual chemical composition of the stuff circulating there...

Cochise wrote:Sometimes I wonder about the origin and actual chemical composition of the stuff circulating there...

In a sense I know what you're trying to get at, but it really depends on what you're specifically thinking/talking about. Something natural isn't the same as something manufactured. At the same time, something being circulated as natural isn't necessarily so.

garyb wrote:...., but there's a profit to be made in pacific ocean plastic...

Going by what I hear from TV, here plastic mostly isn't reconverted in a different way than burning it in filtered plants for energy production ( in the South there are still VERY FEW plants ). They say the whole process has not a really positive economic balance...

Shroomz~> wrote:

Cochise wrote:Sometimes I wonder about the origin and actual chemical composition of the stuff circulating there...

In a sense I know what you're trying to get at, but it really depends on what you're specifically thinking/talking about. Something natural isn't the same as something manufactured. At the same time, something being circulated as natural isn't necessarily so.

Usually the most isn't natural stuff there. And of course even natural stuff can easily be treated.

I have not really a clear idea of what I'm talking about, but....

that stuff is all bad, but might be fun. fun is not always a good thing....

garyb wrote:that stuff is all bad....

What about alcoholics?

As an unwelcome (to me) coincidence, I've just heard on TV the American newspaper News Week is praising the security politic by Berlusconi....

Cochise wrote:What about alcoholics?

Not enough of them recognise themselves as such & not enough of them realise that they're junkies.