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Look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dur8uoc ... re=related

Yes, he knows his way around...

of course he trained!

Thanks for that link ....insane

braincell wrote:Look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dur8uoc ... re=related

This guy?

Dude, that's Pat Martino....the legend....true innovator and inspiration for many other leading edge players of his era, including MacLaughlin, Metheny, etc.

Pat was light years ahead of anyone else in his day.

Thanks for the link by the way...!

Greg

and i didn't see any f*cking....

Ron Carter and him use to play unannounced in the Village at the Vanguard and Bottom Line, I was lucky enough to see that back in the late '70s. His latest recordings are scarry.

Check out the CD w/ the monster B3 player Joey DeFrancesco from a years back called Alone Together, these guys play so well together.

Chop City All The Way.

Then you must have seen this guy:

http://www.johnscofield.com/


Personally, I don't like Pat Metheney. For some reason, he is the most popular jazz guitarist. I guess because he works his butt off. I suspect because he never drank or did drugs, he was able to do more. All of them seem like snobs.

braincell wrote:Then you must have seen this guy:

http://www.johnscofield.com/


Personally, I don't like Pat Metheney. For some reason, he is the most popular jazz guitarist. I guess because he works his butt off. I suspect because he never drank or did drugs, he was able to do more. All of them seem like snobs.

If you've ever heard Metheny's classic dump of that Keeny G. guy, you'd know he wasn't a snob - perhaps officianado or traditionalist might be a better definition. Analyze Metheny's stuff at the basic composition, structure, and performance level, and I think you'll find he's pretty real about what he's doing.
Scofield is also a very tasty player that can rip when necessary.

Greg

stardust wrote:snobs to what ? Jazz is prone to be a bit elite.

Jazzists tend to have the same puritanism aspect as most other musical styles IMO. It's just perhaps more 'at the surface', since it takes so long to perfect the playing and performance aspect of the style (vs. rock or blues for example) - and generally don't get all the success and recognition that other styles do, so they have to cater to the 'elite' side of things. This, even though some of the best jams I've seen have been in dumpy bars and streetcorners.

Greg

yeah, jazz definitely requires some sort of distinct listening, like classical music for instance.

Anyways - Frank Gambale is another one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8EbI89xgE

Greg

He made a mistake

braincell wrote:He made a mistake

deh - it went by so fast that I didn't see it. Buy hey, with Jazz, even mistakes are just part of deal.

Greg

I was joking. I don't mind mistakes. It's interesting though compared to the meticulous impossible playing of Martino. Clearly they each have a different approach to music.

It's a matter of taste but I just don't like Pat Metheny. I never did and I never will. I really can't articulate why other than to say that his melodic aesthetics are diametrically opposed to what I perceive as good music.

I'm not into jazz music that much, so here is a completely different approach. Different genre, different style, different technique.
( Check the volume ain't too loud before play this solo back )

Unluckily I was not able to find any video of this; furthermore the whole band is playing, not just the guitarist.

Warrior solo

The solo should be by Graham Oliver with the Saxon, year 1983.


I need to go completely OT now; I "remastered" this slice from an old vinyl and I've tweaked the eq (there's also some compression added).
Since I'm trying to arrange the acoustic in my room, any further comment about this should be useful...

Cochise wrote:I'm not into jazz music that much, so here is a completely different approach. Different genre, different style, different technique.
( Check the volume ain't too loud before play this solo back )

Unluckily I was not able to find any video of this; furthermore the whole band is playing, not just the guitarist.

Warrior solo

The solo should be by Graham Oliver with the Saxon, year 1983.


I need to go completely OT now; I "remastered" this slice from an old vinyl and I've tweaked the eq (there's also some compression added).
Since I'm trying to arrange the acoustic in my room, any further comment about this should be useful...

well, first of all, good job on the remastering. I think based on what you had to start with....
Anyways, scalar-wise, and overall playing-wise, I don't think this is an equivalent comparison to the flow of the jazz-guys (although there plenty of heavy metal/progressive, etc. players that really know what they're doing IMO).

Greg

It's absolutely not comparable to jazz; but in one of the first replies in this thread Stardust wrote:

wonder if he trained that or just knows it in his fingers.

Well, thinking about training and then find the things in the fingers, this could be an example. It sounds like pure improvisation to me...


About the remastering, the original don't sound very good to me wherever I play it back: too bright in the mid high, and the low end has it main peaks above 100 Hz; and the vinyl is a bit scratchy. I tried to give it more linearity and to extend the low end. The compression was probably a bad choice; sound like it increased a bit the reverb levels.
I could post a dry version, but this thread is the wrong context for this...

Once you play enough, your fingers know it.

Pat Martino is absolutely great, source of knowledge and inspiration for the greats.

I have to agree on what someone said about Metheny ....he's a great musician but I don''t enjoy particularly his music. It's not a style thing or a particular formal issue, but his music just doesn't resonate in my mind, I find it a bit emotionally flat.

I tend to dig less and less pure speed, I prefer musicians who make solos that contain emotions, no matter if they are absurd or extremely simple. It's a case that one of my favorite players is also one of the fastest players around, but what I really dig of him is the incredible harmonic concept and the absolute originality of his musical universe, like in this "contemporary madrigal":
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6iXQUr6R ... re=related

If you like some shredding, though, this is a nice tune of his that he played in the early seventies with Tony Williams, but here with one of his late 80's bands:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=uJF5zB7Yc ... re=related

You said it better than I did. It's flat... He also comes off as not being at all modest which is fine if you think he is a genius but if you don't like his music, he seems pretentious.