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Nice Open Source DAW

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:27 am
by pollux
I recently found this project which seems interesting.. like a Reaper on Steroids for Linux (and upcoming OSX) edit: there are already OSX packages for Ardour

http://ardour.org/

SCOPE on OSX + Ardour could definetly be a nice combination :)

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:57 am
by Zer

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:26 am
by kensuguro
I think ardour and rosegarden are the only two apps that are stable from the opensource bunch. Muse is a little questionable, not to mention it's almost complete lack of documentation.

Still then, there is the confusion involved in loading up external ALSA / jack synths that required me to rewire everything on reset.. I really didn't figure out how to fix that workflow inefficiency. I might have missed something, as nobody really complains about it. There's also the problem of lack of vst/vsti support. Ardour supports vst effects, but that requires you to compile it yourself. And frankly, I don't know how the hell you do that.

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 pm
by Zer
hm...who needs a complete documentation of a sequence? You can listen your harm to audofiles and midi is explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_In ... _Interface

What question is unansweres? You still don`t know how to copy and paste save or restore? Simply klick on the youtube links.

For making music you are not in need to know all of the exclusive internals of a program (the Dj culture should have lead that way).

The rest of the things are simply the old ones. How to get a good mix is not dependent on your software and hardware. Even your success is independent from it and will be simply measured in how many people did like your track or song by downloading or buying it.

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:02 pm
by kensuguro
well, I was specifically pointing to how to integrate soft synths with Muse.

http://www.muse-sequencer.org/wiki/inde ... _with_MusE

This info isn't very informative, and I've been having hell of a time figuring out how to load a synth. This is basic stuff, and the manual clearly skips this section? First, it should be obvious in the interface, and if not, it should be documented. Open source isn't supposed to be about negligence. It's supposed to fight negligence with community effort. Yet many people fail to grasp that concept.

In terms of LMMS, which is supposed to have simplified VST support, you tell me if you can figure out how to get the newest version. For many distributions, you cannot even install the program because the newest version has a controversial VST implementation that was reverse engineered. So, if you are unfortunate enough to be using one of the unsupported platforms, you will need to download all required packages, and compile the code yourself. The problem with this is that you need to have a certain version a certain package, and there is also the slim chance that that specific package is not available to your linux distribution. Even if it was available, many times you have to figure out the dependencies by yourself. This is officially called "dependency hell" in the linux community from what I understand, though I'm not a hardcore user just yet.

http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index. ... =Main_Page

Of course, I still haven't given up yet.. but it just takes so much time. Now I'm even having trouble re-enabling my Japanese input system on Ubuntu studio that all of a sudden stopped working. And I've already by tinkering with it for about a week.

If it takes that much effort to even install and run the program, then you be be darn sure that the process is well documented. (which unfortunately, is barely understandable)

You're right, for making music you don't need to know all the exclusive internals of a program. But unfortunately in Linux, many times you're required to know the complete internal workings of your linux distribution, the software you're about to compile, and also be familiar with the compiling process to just install the software. The process would not be so cumbersome if things were documented.

This has nothing to do with knowing how to get a good mix, or knowing how to use a sequencer, or even knowing how to make good compositions. This is about installing software.

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:41 pm
by braincell
Keep up the good work Kensuguro. I hope it continues to advance.