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LOST the series, has hidden obscure purposes

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:44 am
by Nestor
From the beginning, LOST has been an unusual television series, in many ways. One is the enormous amount of money invested on it, then the fact that it has “suddenly” and without “time” become the most famous TV series in the world, ever… ¿How do you reach such an audience in no time? The only way is to have direct access to the ones who rules the market, and literally to be favored of climbing to the top by those big fish behind it, which is also pretty bizarre to me.

When the series started, they immediately caught my attention and the one of millions of people around the world. Yes, very interesting is to follow the crude reality of being lost in the middle of nowhere, the airplane crash, etc. But as you follow the series, it becomes more and more involved in deep psychology and you start slowly feeling something unusual in the plot, the is some perfidy on it.

Indeed, after a few chapters, and when I when to bed, I would get some weird images in my mind related to the series, they would produce intense negative emotions and I could not sleep for a few hours… That never happens to me when I see a movie or something, so I paid close attention to what was going on psychologically in the series, as well as what I felt and when, and of course to my doze state just before actually getting asleep.

Then I discovered that in every recorded message of the Dharma Project, I would feel something pretty strange while watching it, particularly when lost frames or short flashes of light and shadows would come to the image. After a few days, I would say to my wife: “you know, it is crazy what I’m telling you, but I think that this series have a purpose, they are not “entertainment”, but rather a very well thought psychological manipulation”. She then asked me about why I thought such a thing, and I told her that I strongly believed there were subliminal ideas and messages in the audio track as well as in the picture backgrounds. After a few months she agreed with me, because she experienced similar states of mind, dreams and feelings, she also agreed that there is deficiently something going on with this series.

We then started to study the psychology of the plot, and discovered that there are real negative messages trying to unbalance people, like wishing to put you off any hope for instance. In fact, the name of the series is for you, yourself, you are the LOST one… Which is the final purpose of it all? We don’t know, but we are absolutely sure now, that what we have discovered is real and that there are some insane purposes behind it, unfortunately…

Then, we’ve got three DVD of the series at home, three chapters I mean, and slow them down frame by frame when there are Dharma Instructions, and we could see what we could see, ho yea… We were amazed because we ACTUALLY found subliminal pictures, so what I felt was not so out of sense and crazy. Some of the subliminal pictures are standing up and some are backward located. One of them states this:

God loves you as He loved Jacob

There is something REAL BAD behind it all I can feel it really doesn’t feel good at all! If you have children, I would recommend not letting them see such a series; they are sending commands to people’s minds, which ones, I don’t know, but they are. I know there is absolutely nothing new to the subliminal world, it has been used for decades, but common… this one is different, its global, massive, its reason must be important.

When a subliminal is used for commercial purposes, well… is disgusting but anyway, you know what they are trying to do, but when an international series which happens to be the biggest, most expensive and massive in history, has many subliminal pictures and manipulation ideas, it must be something important.

What led me to write here is that I am amazed to see there are now many people in the web that have written about it, and have even posted the discovered subliminal images. If you know something about it, or have seen some of them, please let me know here in this thread.

Cheers

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:40 am
by petal
Could it be that the hidden purpose behind it all is to make money?

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:13 am
by fra77x
Hi Nestor,

an easy way to handle these kind of things is to read the book "Electronic revolution" from William S Burroughs. Several psychological techniques including subconciousness messages by the great writer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electronic_Revolution

However i suggest to general avoid mental -junk food not so much of the aimed harm* that they could cause but mostly because mental -junk food makes your brain like a trash bin!


* Petal is right: most of the time the harm is just that you give them your money!

regards,
John

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:09 am
by zangsta
Hi Nestor!

I suspected this about the series, even before they ran it.
And the reason for my suspicion was the marketing of it,
it was pushed like mad in swedish TV4, a comercial channel.
Just as "24", it´s well made, fascinating to watch, but made with an agenda,
and not only to make money.
"24" was very obvious in what was pushed,
but "Lost" was not so clear, but I had a suspicion in the general area you
found out.
Thanks for posting this!

Jörgen

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:01 am
by hubird
Wiki knows already:

Reflecting its devoted fan base, the show has become a staple of American popular culture with references to the story and its elements appearing in other television shows, commercials, comic books, webcomics, humor magazines and song lyrics. The show's fictional universe has also been explored through tie-in novels, board and video games, and an alternative reality game, The Lost Experience.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:20 am
by Me$$iah
Nestor,
You are probalby right, its all aimed toward the whole new world order agenda, most likely. Now tho watch the mainstream news with the same idea in mind. Its all there to control the masses, in fact look everywhere, its happening all around us all the time, from governments ordering industrial wastes to be added to water supplies to secretive spraying of chemicals from planes over huge ares throughout the world, to manufactured fears of global pandemics and then theres the whole 'climate change' lies

seriously a horrible world if you can open your eyes and see.

Me$$iah

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:35 am
by next to nothing
.. or you can just say "fuck it" and live a happy life, not looking for the absolute negative in every situation.

remember, the main reason for divorce is marriage.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:36 am
by petal
This must be the best advertising campaign ever...

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:41 am
by next to nothing
J J Abrams Lost producer) is known for his Viral Marketing. His new movie Cloverfield has been thru all phases, and allready have a lot of fake sites claiming this and that. Lost is just another example.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:47 am
by zangsta
stardust wrote:That is the problematic part when it comes to credibility.

Put this LOST observation too much into conspiracy theories and you belittle it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_ ... onspiracy)
Or see it as a verification of the conspiracy theories ! 8)

I think it would be to be a bit naive,
to imagine that the meddling forces would stay out of
using the popular culture to influence people and opinions.
The Tavistock institute comes to mind, as such a force,
as does the Stanford University.
This is one place that investigates this;
http://www.layinstitute.org
and in particular this document;
http://www.layinstitute.org/linstituteu ... ontrol.pdf

Jörgen

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:48 am
by Nestor
Well… it is amazing to write to planet z, as you always surprise me in whatever matter I point out. First, I was a bit scary when writing it, because you don’t know… people may react in a bad way about this, but I can see that many have actually found farther information than myself.

What is truly interesting about my own findings, is exactly that, that are my own. I did not read anything at all before, telling me that LOST the series had subliminal images or anything, it is exclusively by myself that I found this reality. That’s why I feel totally comfortable as well, because I know I’m not deluding with some stupid marketing ideas or something.

Several of you guys, accept and even farther my own idea that LOST has a hidden agenda. Ok, now… what I think is that this is not just one more… but the beginning or announcement of something truly important for the world. Not necessarily good, but extremely important for us all. This is honestly, quite scary!

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:59 am
by zangsta
Nestor wrote:
What is truly interesting about my own findings, is exactly that, that are my own. I did not read anything at all before, telling me that LOST the series had subliminal images or anything, it is exclusively by myself that I found this reality. That’s why I feel totally comfortable as well, because I know I’m not deluding with some stupid marketing ideas or something.
So true!!

It takes a certain level of sensitivity, selfawareness and integrity to go through with what you did. Cudos to you, Nestor!
Nestor wrote: Several of you guys, accept and even farther my own idea that LOST has a hidden agenda. Ok, now… what I think is that this is not just one more… but the beginning or announcement of something truly important for the world. Not necessarily good, but extremely important for us all. This is honestly, quite scary!
Scary indeed!!
And this is nothing new, it´s been going on since before we were born, most of us.

Greetings
Jörgen

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:15 pm
by next to nothing
well an interesting diversion is what kind of "effects" should be allowed to use in the entertainment industry. Subliminal messages takes many forms, be it audio- or picture wise. Commercials in the form Nestor describes (for example, take out one of 24 frames a second and replace it with a coca cola advert) is prohibited on a world wide basis (i haven't checked this, so please correct me if im wrong). However, having the main character in a series drive a car past a huge coca cola advert in a blink of a second (which, and again, is just an educated guess, is even more effective) is totally legal.

Twin Peaks (tv-series by David Lynch) scared me when i was younger, and he also use alot of his own ideas of subconcious effects to provoke your feelings, both audio and picture-wise. David Lynch is an audio addict, and if you have a good copy of an episode you might notice a dark, low bass tone in the background. this is a lions roar, slowed down a lot. He did this to provoke your feelings, as he ment that a lions roar should naturally trigger your fear in a large way.

Me myself dont think the written word will damage me more than spoken words.

I guess JJ Abrams made the trick work as you bought 3 DVDs to check out the phenomena :) I just want to ensure you of one thing; the effect of subliminal advertising is highly overrated, as your consciousness mostly will override the emotions planted in you.


But it can do one hell of a job to set an atmosphere :)

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:57 pm
by astroman
piddi wrote:... I just want to ensure you of one thing; the effect of subliminal advertising is highly overrated, as your consciousness mostly will override the emotions planted in you. ...
afaik the final decision to nearly any purchase is almost entirely driven by emotion.
'Rational arguments' are just a kind of lame excuse - and self-cheating to reassure yourself the control you just lost ... :P :D

you wouldn't believe the sh*t they tell you on a professional sales training (those multi-k-$$$-per-day dudes) , but it's even more impressive (or irritating...) how easy it is to verify their 'strategies' with real world people in everyday life.

why should it be different in media and politics then ? The puppet master is the one and only rational element ...
and yes, I totally agree on atmospheric sounds :D

cheers, Tom

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:37 pm
by next to nothing
My point is just wether these 1/24th messages can be used as an effect, on the same line as audio is applied to manipulate your feelings (a horror movie could for example display the word "kill" 1/24 frame, and it might affect you emotionally for a minute or two, and it would produce media coverage. if the same horror movie had a scary low-volume surround effect saying "kill" in an effected way (im not sure how to describe this but i hope you get my point) this would affect you as well. I mean, none of these methods would probably make you go out and kill people, but both would probably affect your feelings to some degree.

I just want to question why one is worse than the other.

But for commercials, i am very aware that we are probably 70% more likely to buy a shampoo we saw some commercials of than an unknown brand. but if that same horror movie showed a 1/24th second od a bottle of wash-and-go i wouldnt base my life around it or rush out buying it.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:42 pm
by next to nothing
oh damn, i see i forgot to mention Context :) _I mean, if you are watching something which is supposed to be occult lo-fi videos, used to brainwash people, what do you expect to find? :D

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:58 pm
by next to nothing
then again where is the border between manipulation and effect?

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:09 pm
by Nestor
You are not understanding, this is “manipulation”, should I believe that you agree with it? Not me.

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:27 pm
by astroman
piddi wrote:... I mean, none of these methods would probably make you go out and kill people, but both would probably affect your feelings to some degree...
yes, that's indeed very unlikely - but then one single word is pretty unlikely to carry any 'deeper' emotion anyway.
Nevertheless if you aggregate enough 'between-the-lines-content' over (some) time, supported by emotional pictures... the propaganda will work - against whatever rational scheme...
...I just want to question why one is worse than the other...
as mind controlling is a regular part of life, there is few need to classify ;)
But for commercials, i am very aware that we are probably 70% more likely to buy a shampoo we saw some commercials of than an unknown brand. ...
just in case you refer to my sales-related post before - I didn't have commercials in mind, but regular face-to-face communication.

cheers, Tom

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:35 pm
by next to nothing
This IS of course manipulation. we agree on that. My question is: What did you expect?

If this was happening on a semi-documentary on how a group actually crashlanded on an island and how they survived i would get your point (have a look at the movie K2, this is a mountain though and its pretty graphic). But when you see a polar bear on a tropical island in what, the first episode? dont you expect things to be a bit weird? isnt it pretty obvious its all an illusion? you dont follow the series expecting to teach how to survive a planecrash, do you? What other reason would people have to see this series than to be manipulated and fooled? ITS ENTERTAINMENT, not edutainment!


You probably did what everybody else did, googled "God loves you as He loved Jacob ". Of course you are overwhelmed.