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Just a general question....
Who would be interested in the development of an
ASB-CS-8000
(yamaha CS80)

***** plese note this image is just a fake rendering and is only a hypothetical question***** and I apologize to anyone taking offence.



***** plese note this image is just a fake rendering and is only a hypothetical question***** and I apologize to anyone taking offence.

who wouldn't...

That would be amazing. Mind you there would be a lot of controls - i think that blank panel would need some filling up. A very different synth to emulate.

A pretty ambitious job to tackle, but a CS-80 ASB could be a very kick-ass box.

Can I get on the waiting list for one now?

Mr Arkadin wrote:I think that blank panel would need some filling up.

I think that 'blank space' is actually the ribbon controller. The placement in the mock-up is a bit awkward, but a ribbon would be a most welcome performance control, especially if it accurately emulates the behavior of the CS-80 ribbon.

gregae wrote:
I think that 'blank space' is actually the ribbon controller. The placement in the mock-up is a bit awkward, but a ribbon would be a most welcome performance control, especially if it accurately emulates the behavior of the CS-80 ribbon.

Nice idea, but the ASBs don't seem to be designed to emulate any controllers - the Prodyssey doesn't have PPC (which are very distinctive sounding compared to wheels). The Minimax and Pro-12 had standard wheels so most controllers would have those. i think they would expect the user to have a ribbon controller (i have a Kurzweil Expressionmate that i use to emulate the PPC for instance).

gregae wrote:

Mr Arkadin wrote:I think that blank panel would need some filling up.

I think that 'blank space' is actually the ribbon controller. The placement in the mock-up is a bit awkward, but a ribbon would be a most welcome performance control, especially if it accurately emulates the behavior of the CS-80 ribbon.

How about if it was built like the system 1200...

with each panel its own preset (like the upper / lower manual on the b4000 does independently for the drawbars)
and contain this in the upper asb section....
and in the lower section, have all the master performance control stuff like Footage, and ringmod , master brilliance, portamento etc ...which could be stored in its own master performance preset like the b4000 does with the leslie/vibrato/percussion/condition settings(all independent of the drawbar presets)
That is how the memory structure of the origina cs80 is......
2 independent timbre presets, into a master control panel....
.......
Also keep in mind...... the original CS80 does have a memory panel that actually reduces the entire dual panel to a space smaller than the ASB's currently have....to say there are too many sliders in a small space was defeated back in 1978 when the CS80 originated......now are encoders this small?..... we will see.


I will see If I can drag my CS80 out tonight and take a picture of the asb beside this hidden preset panel......

Mr Arkadin wrote:

gregae wrote:
I think that 'blank space' is actually the ribbon controller. The placement in the mock-up is a bit awkward, but a ribbon would be a most welcome performance control, especially if it accurately emulates the behavior of the CS-80 ribbon.

Nice idea, but the ASBs don't seem to be designed to emulate any controllers - the Prodyssey doesn't have PPC (which are very distinctive sounding compared to wheels). The Minimax and Pro-12 had standard wheels so most controllers would have those. i think they would expect the user to have a ribbon controller (i have a Kurzweil Expressionmate that i use to emulate the PPC for instance).

Not so true.......remember the drawbars on the b4000 asb...
The B4000 has 9 drawbars...... which are controllers independent of master preset.....Switchable between upper and lower on 2 midi channels or 1 with a split point...

slammah2012 wrote:
How about if it was built like the system 1200...

or a system 3000?

http://www.sequencer.de/pix/creamware/c ... em3000.jpg

slammah2012 wrote: Not so true.......remember the drawbars on the b4000 asb...
The B4000 has 9 drawbars...... which are controllers independent of master preset.....Switchable between upper and lower on 2 midi channels or 1 with a split point...

Well they're the sound generating controls, like an Osc knob on a synth. Yes they can be used as performance controllers, but they're not in themself performance controllers as such. The B4000 without drawbars would just be a Klangbox .

I bet the demo for that 3000 goes something like 'who's the f**king daddy'.

I would buy it for sure, but the price should be comparable to the actual ASB

hopefully with an aftertouch keyboard integrated .....

piddi wrote:

slammah2012 wrote:
How about if it was built like the system 1200...

or a system 3000?

http://www.sequencer.de/pix/creamware/c ... em3000.jpg

That thing looks like a home-built construction by someone who has some wood-working skills. It's nice, but it's too bad they got cheap and used plywood for the ends instead of using solid wood. And even if solid wood wasn't available, applying a bit of veneer would cover up the exposed edges.

I'd give 'em an 'A' for the effort, though.

gregae wrote:

piddi wrote:

slammah2012 wrote:
How about if it was built like the system 1200...

or a system 3000?

http://www.sequencer.de/pix/creamware/c ... em3000.jpg

That thing looks like a home-built construction by someone who has some wood-working skills. It's nice, but it's too bad they got cheap and used plywood for the ends instead of using solid wood. And even if solid wood wasn't available, applying a bit of veneer would cover up the exposed edges.

I'd give 'em an 'A' for the effort, though.

Here are some Photos of My CS80, and my Prodyssey.....just to show you sises of the original 4 memory panels....




and finally a Mock up ASB version like the system 1200...with the ribbon on the lower edge.....

hifiboom wrote:hopefully with an aftertouch keyboard integrated .....

Polyphonic Aftertouch! (this things getting more expensive all the time )

slammah2012 wrote:Just a general question....
Who would be interested in the development of an
ASB-CS-8000
(yamaha CS80)

***** plese note this image is just a fake rendering and is only a hypothetical question***** and I apologize to anyone taking offence.



***** plese note this image is just a fake rendering and is only a hypothetical question***** and I apologize to anyone taking offence.

Is this one better???
it has seperate presets for panel 1 and 2...just like the original....and a master patch for the performance controlsand footage settings for the 2 sub-presets.......ribbon is on the bottom

much better
well done

hubird wrote:much better
well done

Thanks......I like it too....

Ok the Cake is finished but what about some icing on the cake. What about motorised faders!

They would be so cool on the ASB Range. When I look at an ASB, the settings are not neccesarily set anything like to what the noise is being made!