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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:11 am
by hifiboom
a melodic trance track I did yesterday.
I think the refrain part is sounding good so far, but I am not happy with the stuff inbetween.

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:06 am
by braincell
There is too much reverb.

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:31 pm
by hifiboom
really? I like it when the melos and vocals swim in reverb a bit.... :)

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:36 pm
by braincell
If it gets played in a club it will be horrible because of the ample reverb in the dance hall.

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:11 pm
by hubird
hifi: there's just - too - much - reverb, with or without club :-D
on synths you'd better use (heavy) delays instead of (heavy) reverb.
I can deal with a 'huge' sound on some parts, like on that synth in the break (perfect part for rev), or vocals, but it needs some finetuning.
In general try to find the right balance between reverb volume and largeness of room (suggestion).
Anything that enlarges the suggestion of a huge room makes possible a lowering of the absolute volume, which on it's turn keeps parts 'in your face'.
Another thing is, to get a 'wall of sound' you have to make a sound for every musical part to fit the 'big sound' concept, also the appearingly 'dry' parts.
A (dry) cick will benefit from excessive pure early reflexions verb, to name a trick.

A larger early reflexions time can suggest more 'room' already, allowing to lower the volume of the reverb.
Excessive lowcutting is a form of volume deminishing on it's own.

I also put some attack designer on the dry part of some rev parts, to keep them in front yet.

Hope this helps :-)

ps, it's funny, I once struggled with the same dilemma, to find a big yet streight sound.
I don't concider the mix as succeeded, but you can check how far I could get it:
http://www.ezsound.nl/pages/EZdance.html
I can't link to tracks directly on my music site, just choose the third track named 'Choppy', or the next one also, where a horns section melodic sample should sound big (Beans, bones and happiness).

I wasn't satisfied enough with the result after some time, so I put a (very) little reverb on the whole mix at once, but with extreme eq settings: nothing below eh dunno, maybe 3500 Hz, and nothing above 8 kHz or something.
Just a tiny bit air to glue the dry and reverberated parts together.
I took a volume setting just a little bit above noticing the difference with no reverb.
Just another idea :-)

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:10 pm
by hifiboom
yeah okay, but i may argue and say it ain`t being played in a club.... haha

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:51 pm
by hubird
:lol: exactly :-D
still it's true; the more reverb you want, the more finetuning is requested :-)

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:23 am
by braincell
Are you mixing with headphones? I noticed when I mix that way, I put too much reverb in because there is no natural reverb. Rooms have a lot more reverb than you think they do.

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:33 am
by hifiboom
both headphones and speaker,

I don`t wanna make my neighbours angry, so I mix with headphones, but always checking back through speakers...

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:57 am
by Neil B
I have the same dilemma - neighbours.
What I do is a simple mix with headphones and focus on the panning aspect and then mix the rest through speakers when they're at work.
Mind you, that isn't saying much, given the standard of my mixes :(