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Hi,

I currently have a PC with Pulsar 2 and Power Sampler, is it possible for these cards to be transferred to a new Apple Mac with Boot Camp for example?

god question.

No, alas.
The cards physically don't fit in the PCI-e slots, even not when you use a hammer.
Boot Camp, as an 'emulation', can'twork eihter, you need an OS9-bootable mac.
Latest model which can do this: G4 1.25 FW400 (not the 800).

OK,

Thanks for the info. Scope cards do work with an older MAC, understood... ...I still have my PC which there is nothing wrong with. PC is PCI slots only which is fine. 3 GHZ 2.5GB RAM.

New PC's are PCI and PCI-E combined and as I understand PCI is being fazed out gradually which is inevitable just like the old ISA which I didn't have though I think my P3 board lying around gathering dust may have...not sure...doesn't matter at the moment.

Where do Creamware stand with their range of Scope products? - Will there be PCI-E versions of Scope home / Project / Professional cards?

I think the idea of Boot Camp as part of the new MAC OS Tiger looks interesting but I don't know much about it, like how good and stable is it for example. Thought to myself if Scope could work with this that would be good. If it can't then it's not an option...

fraz wrote: Will there be PCI-E versions of Scope home / Project / Professional cards?

you tell us

fraz wrote:...Where do Creamware stand with their range of Scope products? ...

that company doesn't even exist anymore

I think the idea of Boot Camp as part of the new MAC OS Tiger looks interesting but I don't know much about it, like how good and stable is it for example. ...

first it's an (important) option for the corporate market - and I mean nothing but the corporate market...
second the new version of the Mac OS is named 'Leopard', probably as 'useful' as Vista - though I've been informed by CodeWeavers the exection of Windows code (under CrossOver) is supposed to be significantly faster.

cheers, Tom

...How am I going to know... ...that's why I asked the question because I don't know... ...It would be logical to assume that Creamware would bring out PCI-E versions of their cards into the market place...

I'm only asking because I don't know. I'm glad to see that Creamware do a Z-Link version of the Pulsar 2 equivalent (Scope Project) and Scope Pro. Just saving some pennies to get a Scope Pro and take advantage of the I/O.

SCOPE is a Dinosaur. Very little has happened for years. Only 3rd party developers are really making SCOPE survive.

We can all hope for a fire wire cross platform solution, but don't hold your breath.

They announced OS X support years ago but it all faded away.

If your buy scope use an old computer - SCOPE PCI Cards are approaching 10 years old.

TRULY POWERFUL BUT SLOWLY MOVING INTO OBSCURITY

A Dinosaur.

stebzilla wrote:SCOPE is a Dinosaur. Very little has happened for years.

Its old. so is the guitar. So what?

stebzilla wrote: Only 3rd party developers are really making SCOPE survive.

Please show me some other soundcard which isnt depending on 3rd party developers (except Pro-Tools of course).

stebzilla wrote: We can all hope for a fire wire cross platform solution, but don't hold your breath.

Some do, some dont. im in the last group. id rather have PCI-E or something internal as ive seen what firewire might do.

stebzilla wrote:They announced OS X support years ago but it all faded away.

"They" went bust long time ago.

stebzilla wrote: If your buy scope use an old computer - SCOPE PCI Cards are approaching 10 years old.

Why would you when it works perfectly with latest dual-core setups?

stebzilla wrote: TRULY POWERFUL BUT SLOWLY MOVING INTO OBSCURITY

Ok then ill be obscure.

stebzilla wrote: A Dinosaur.

A good sounding, stable, flexible dinosaur you mean. Which will still be around in quite a few years.

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Oh and by the way, please give me an alternative DSP soundcard (or even without dsps) with equal quality synths and effects, modular system and flexible routing and i might see your point.

Like I said, "A Dinosaur"

Fraz, good question.

The way to think about this is: "I've got my nice, beautiful sounding Scope cards, and they are working just fine in this platform. I'm going to keep using it for as long as it lasts."

If you are hot for a new system, there are plenty of ways to interconnect your newer system with this old workhorse. ADAT, analog, SPDIF, etc.

If you are into the synthesis thing, check out JohnBowen.com. The new Solaris keyboard is sort of a resurrection for Scope but in a hardware synth. For players, that is kind of the second coming of Scope.

To the original poster - in theory it could work like this:

Macbook Pro with Magma expressCard or Mac Pro with Magma PCI-Express Card

-> connected to Scope cards in a Magma PCI enclosure.

I haven't tried it but the Mac motherboards are pretty decent so there's a good chance that it should work.

Uh, none of the Intel Macs, methinks.

You need to be on OS9 to run the Scope environment. So, you would want a PowerBook G4 Mac 15", or something like that, to attempt Magma + Scope.

Haven't heard how well this works, but someone here has probably tried it.

a G4 Powerbook which is able to run OS9 is a totally lame box according to todays standards... it's been a long time, so memory may betray me, but no Apple machine younger than 5 years will boot OS9 ...

Finally Apple has caught up to Microsoft. Macs display the Blue Screen of Death!

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/ ... grade.html

Right Tom. I was responding to Darkzein's post, where he suggested Macbook Pro for Magma for Scope. The theory is that the new Macbook Pro would not handle Scope correctly, i.e. that a native OS9 environment is the only one that would work well with Scope on the Mac. Or at least, that's what I've read elsewhere on this forum.

OK,

Just to be absolutely clear about this.....Creamware are no longer in business and the company business? - Id this true?

I was on the Creamware website viewing the range of cards because I was planning on getting another one to add to my Pulsar 2 and Power Sampler. Currently I have 9 DSP chips. I figured if I got a Scope Pro with another 14 DSP chips that would be a powerful setup.

Not sure who posted above that Creamware don't exist. Quite shocking to read. Can I still buy the DSP cards etc...

You've obviously been out of the loop for a bit. You need to come to the 'Z' more often. No Creamware don't exist anymore. But SonicCore do (and inDSP) and they have back more of the original Creamware guys than when Creamware was insolvent, so don't be worrying just yet. You can now buy SonicCore Scope cards instead (same card, different packaging).

Yes I have been out of the loop for a while unfortunately because I have had some serious matters to deal with...

I'll look up Sonic Core and find out more. I've spent a long time learning the Scope cards and as far as my musical future is concerned if thats the right way to put it I considered these cards to be the cards of choice given the I/O capability etc...mixing, synths, sampling and fx...

I seriously hope these cards stick around in one way or another because they are terrific when you learn how to use them. I'm no expert on them but I've figured some good ways to configure projects that wouldn't have been possible on the standard stereo in and out cards due to the hardware limitations. No disrespect to these cards as they are simple to use and I did consider going down that road using an external mixer and routing audio in via bussing but the overall performance of Scope made me stick with it. Sorry for going on....

Do Sonic Core have a webpage? - If so what is it? - The Creamware site is still up so have Sonic Core just taken this over or do they have their own web page.

If someone wanted to order a Scope card today where would they order it from?