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The Guidelines for the Pastoral Care of the Road suggests:

"prayer might come in handy -- making the sign of the cross before starting off and saying the rosary along the way."

and

"Praying while driving is encouraged."

I'm not making this up. Sounds dangerous to me!


http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArtic ... on/226060/

another example of how religon is ruining the world.
What the hell are they going to do next? promote love and kindness?!
Who the hell do these people think they are, telling to be decent to each other?

YES I FEEL HOW LOVING YOU ARE!


Typical hypocrite.

Wow this catholic preacher didn't listen to the pope:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/4905827.html

braincell wrote:YES I FEEL HOW LOVING YOU ARE!


Typical hypocrite.

Your posts seem to be a lot of meanness and belittlement of anyone who disagrees with anything outside of your narrow views on this topic, and you to talk about what a hypocrite anyone else is! What have YOU done to make the world a better place? Have YOU ever given to a charity, ever taken a homeless person into YOUR home? If religious people are doing good, could you tell the people benefitting they would be better of without help? Telling us that 90% of the world is idiots because they believe in god, or gods, or whatever, is not making anything better. I really think your fear of religious people is misplaced.

Maybe this belongs on the God thread.

According to the bible you should love your enemies. How seldom this is followed
in the world and even in this group. I don't follow Jesus and I am not required to love anybody. You don't know me so how dare you comment on what I have done to help others. I will refrain from making a personal attack against you as so many others have done against me. The thread was about god not about me so don't go OT.

"I don't follow Jesus and I am not required to love anybody"

Why the hell is Manfriday expected to then?? Does he "follow Jesus" simply because he does not share your hatred for Christians?

And insulting people personally and then whining about being insulted is not just childish. It's boring.

If you look back, you will see that any personal attack I made was a response to a personal attack against me. It was probably not a good idea for me to stoop to the low level of people attacking me. If someone is offended that I am critical of the church and the republicans, they should not take it personally. It's a free country.

" If someone is offended that I am critical of the church and the republicans"
Strawman. Being critical and being full of aggressive, uncompromising hate are two different things. For some reason, your insults towards them are somehow not insults, or if they are, they are totally justified because the other side started it first. The much milder language used towards you is insulting because, well, christians are insulting, we must be christians, and therefore must be insulting you. This new learning amazes me.

Some atheists are now referring to themselves as non-theists because of the stigma attached to being an atheist. I am an anti-theist. We don't have to shut up anymore against the relentless sea of lies.

According to the bible you should love your enemies. How seldom this is followed

So then is your problem with religon, or with the people who fail to follow their professed religion properly?

in the world and even in this group. I don't follow Jesus and I am not required to love anybody.

I have only seen one person here claim to be a Christian. Everyone else is simply content not to hate the religious. Apparently anyone who doesn't have a vitriolic hatred of the religious must be a "Christian"
This notion seems to contradict the claims of atheists here that non-religious people can be just as 'good' as the religious.

I will refrain from making a personal attack against you as so many others have done against me.

You have made countless attacks on "the religous" and you lump everyone here (save yourself and bingo) into that same category. Therefore, you have made countless attacks against everyone here, right?

Some atheists are now referring to themselves as non-theists because of the stigma attached to being an atheist.

Much of the stigma attached to being an atheist comes from people like you perpetuating the notion that atheists are hateful, frightened people who need to rail against faith to make themselves feel superior.

stardust wrote:You show a splendid example of how the world would look like 'without religion' or if you prefer with more -isms like brainless atheism.

The enormous frustration of having a country run by a horde of fantasy followers would pass with time.

there is nothing awkward in being a christian.

Even when you have to explain enormous contradictions like graven images, evolution, stem cell research...?

Braincell - why don't you go to any gospel church in any black neighbourhood in America. Do you have any idea how many people have been saved from being murdered or going into prison or saved from teenage pregnancies that would have ruined their lives? And the fact that a massive amount of black music simply wouldn't have existed without gospel church culture? And you're trying to tell me that's evil? I'd say you're out of your puny little mind.

There's a simple fact in life - if there's a problem, it's never solved by fixing a symptom of the problem. It can only be solved by fixing the cause. The problems you associate with religion are in fact caused by human traits of greed, ego, stupidity, hypocrisy, hatred of your fellow man for whatever reason. The very fundamental subjects of what the bible and any other religious teaching warns against. It's easy to pick up on anomalies and contradictions in the bible but if you read carefully it is made clear that only God can judge, no-one else - if they do they're being hypocritical and egocentric. The same is true in every single religion in the world.

It's not religion's fault that people use it to excuse their actions. You can excuse your actions in the name of democracy, freedom, or any arbitrary concept that makes your actions more easy to justify to a population. The war in Iraq is an obvious example. Does this make democracy and freedom evil? Quite simply, no - it's the human interpretation conveniently used to justify evil actions. Just assuming non-existent connections between things because of your skewed perspective is not going to get you anywhere at all. Keeping on screaming about it like a spoilt child isn't going to make it true.

You also seem to have a very severe problem with anyone believing in God. That they must somehow by stupid or deluded etc. Well quite frankly, what right do you have to dictate what anyone should think? If you're unwilling to believe, then that's your own choice, and if you believe in yourself strongly enough then you're not going to let anyone change your mind. What's the problem? Any people who forcefully try to convert people's religions to another have other ulterior motives, and those should be addressed. Christian missionaries for example are tools of colonialism, the need to obtain material wealth, land and power. Colonialism is the problem, not Christianity.

If you say that people should not believe in God, then you are just as fascist and controlling as those who force people to believe in God. It's not about the concept you're peddling, it's about how and why you're doing it.

stardust wrote:The first one seems a simplification my friend.
But it is up to you to assess your countries government elected by democratic rules.....I assume....or Not ?

The country run by magic-worshipers? I live in America, not sure where you're posting from. Yes, they were elected by similar simple-minded folks who also believe that non-magic-belief and violence/chaos/etc are somehow linked. Even when there is no research to suggest that more religious parts of the world are safer.

The second is this thing about the old man with the grey beard again. I am not referring to fundamentalistic and simple minded christians.

Right, I guess some folks pick-and-choose the more convenient 'words of god' to follow. You're supposed to stone your wife to death if she's not a virgin on your wedding night, right? If god had changed his mind about that, I'm sure he would have dictated something by now.

You guys seem to live in a world of sect preachers that lie in ambush at your garden door to ram the bible cartoons down your throat.
Have you ever found the leisure to read a bit more between the lines ?

I'd rather have cartoons rammed down my throat than watch my parents die of cancer when stem cell research has any chance of preventing that.

You're supposed to stone your wife to death if she's not a virgin on your wedding night, right? If god had changed his mind about that, I'm sure he would have dictated something by now.

Perhaps he did, and you were not paying attention?

I'm sorry if we offended anyone. If you want to start your own thread about how good superstition is, I will keep out of it.

I wasn't so bitter pre-Bush and pre-Falwell. But it's not like it wasn't much better 20 or 30 years ago. I know people who just go to church and keep it to themselves, but lately it's out of control in the US. Religion is supposed to be about finding meaning in your own life, not changing the constitution so that two women can't get married to each other.

Look at all the time this country has wasted talking about abortion. Is the fact that a 70-cell organism is about to die so much more important than education, health care and all of the other things that congress could have been talking about for the last 20 years? Is that what's really holding this country back from greatness, the fact that an 17-year old has to bring her baby to term?

Even if you try to distance yourself from people like that, I'll bet you voted for Bush the second time around. And that most in your church would vote for whomever is preaching the same kind of hate against gays and backwards attitude about stem cells.

I'm sure you'd prefer that guys like me would continue to keep quiet so that the religious right could continue to run the country. I really could care less if people want to read the bible and go to church, until it starts to affect my life.

Look at all the time this country has wasted talking about abortion.

A waste of time? wow.
Was it a waste of time before Roe V Wade, or just after?

Is that what's really holding this country back from greatness, the fact that an 17-year old has to bring her baby to term?

I rather doubt it. I think what is holding the country back from greatness is that it is filled with fallible human beings.
But it sounds like you think the country is being held back from "greatness" because a signifcant portion of the population has a different idea about the direction the country should take.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable somewhere less democratic?
Gotta love that.. Everyone should have a voice in their country except the people you disagree with, hu?

I'm sure you'd prefer that guys like me would continue to keep quiet

when in the world have guys like you EVER kept quiet?

It's kinda funny.. Falwel's "Moral Majority" got started because he, and people like him felt the same way you do... That their kinda had kept quiet too long.
Not so different. Opposite sides of the same coin, really.

so that the religious right could continue to run the country.

We have a president who is anything BUT conservative, a democratic house and a democratic senate.
Quit your crying.

Sorry everyone if I hurt your feelings. I'm in a bit of a family crisis right now.

I still think that religion and republicans are wrong and democrats slightly less odious and I love to argue.

No worries.
I hope your family issues get sorted out.