PlanetZ forums - scopeusers.com

Hi,
I just spend half an hour to write down what I hate about MTV and what I like about the new motorTV channel on German TV. But as I wanted to submit my post I had to login again and everything what I wrote was eraised! To bad! I now will say it in short and more directly and maybe unfriendly: STOP WATCHING MTV! It even makes your children become dumb! Look for channels like motorTV. You can also watch it on the web at www.motortv.de
No ringtonesh.t, no reality shows, no commercials...
Simon

Have a look here about TV Tripe:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese367.html

Chris

I lurk on a few political forums, and when people submit what they consider to be important stories to local news outlets they almost always get a response like "Reuters/AP doesn't have that story so we won't cover it until they do". (If it's not coming from approved channels we don't report on it as we don't do any actual reporting ourselves).

I want national (non-gouvernmental) television without commercial adds, everything payed by tax.
three nets or so, to serve everyone.
I have to get myself a new remote, it's terrible how often I have to zap on the tube itself now, as it's broken

Tremor wrote:...Look for channels like motorTV. You can also watch it on the web at www.motortv.de
No ringtonesh.t, no reality shows, no commercials...

you may have a look at the company structure and business target of the holding company ID Media AG

the one and only purpose of such 'communities' is to get access to a highly categorized and preselected group of future customers
no more, no less

cheers, tom

Every company's aim is to get access to potential future customers. Categorized or uncategorized, preselected or not. And if you don't like it you don't have to watch/hear it and you don't have to get in contact with it. It's a matter of taste. And I say if Music Television than not the way MTV does it but for example the way of MotorTV or similar where music plays continuesly and I can listen to it and don't get bored permanently with ringtones and reality shows. That's the most important thing for me and not which company is holding which channel.

Simon

hey does anyone here remember when MTV actually played music?

sometime back in the last century, manfriday - if memory serves...

I dunno how they do it in Tremany, but here the proverb goes 'use bacon on the mouse trap'
in Rome they called it panem et circenses

it's not about a company holding a channel - that channel is created with no other purpose than to attract a whatever group to exploit it in marketing context. With whatever they consider applicable - and 'they' are smart a**es.
Maybe it looks and sounds different, but only because you don't fit the ring-tone-dingeling target group anymore.

I'm a big fan of that type of stuff if it's performed well - and I don't mind whatever you notice or not. The contradiction (I may have read it wrong, though) amused my cynic half

cheers, Tom

Astroman,
I then would like to know what must be done or changed so you could name it "performed well"?

Simon

you're welcome - here's a translation what the company considers it's

competence

based on multiple and long-term experiences in implementing virtual communities we have several conceptual and technical modules which can be taylored optimally according to our customers' requirements.
Our platform solutions use the latest in communication technology to bring the right ones together, so everyone receives only those communications, product and information offers in which he's interested.
Our efforts build up either a one-to-many or a one-to-one interaction yielding high acceptance and impact at the end customer without divergence loss.
We develope communities and keep them alive to achieve a long term emotional binding of your customers to your brand.
For our customers we instrumentalize the internet and provide a holistic strategical solution for a return on investment to make them even more successful.
Based on detailed analysis we integrate your 'community' into present platforms and optimize existing 'social networks' .

of course you guessed all that from watching the videos, didn't you ?
(admittedly the english version is much less detailed on this topic)

that makes it a great (marketing) performance imho - the rabbit doesn't even know it's playing in front of the snake
I see few reasons to change it (and I'm far from intending to spoil your entertainment), but isn't it commonplace that there's no such thing as a free lunch
the founders of Hotmail made $6 per single adress of their 'customer' base when the service was sold to M$
Google didn't pay billions for YouTube or provides a geographical information service just for entertainment purpose - life is like that...

cheers, Tom

internet radio solves it all, the absence of video is a blessing

Internet radio? It's more categorized. Yes. It may suit your taste more cause you are able to choose what you want to listen to. There are a thousand channels of every genre to choose from. I also like it. Live365... But if you just switch on your TV to a music television channel(there are not that much in "Tremany") and you get enjoyment because of what you are listening to it is great and you don't need to worry about what the intention of the channel's holding company is. And if you use your brain you will notice and be aware before you are the rabbit infront of the snake's mouth. I definitly prefer listening to my vinyls and media where I have total control over what i'm listening to. But if for some reason I let a music television channel stream in my background and I can listen to music which sounds fine for me I'm ok with it and really don't start thinking about why they play it and for which reason they play it. That was my idea of this thread. And of course, Astroman, from a different point of view it's completely right what you say. But I think it belongs to people who are not able to build there own point of view because they become influenced way too much of what they see on TV for example.
I also appologize my bad English, my vocabular is sometimes not that accomplished to exatly write down what I really want to describe. Maybe in German we could have a conversation even more funny

Simon

Tremor wrote:... And of course, Astroman, from a different point of view it's completely right what you say. But I think it belongs to people who are not able to build there own point of view because they become influenced way too much of what they see on TV for example...

and of course this doesn't apply to you and me because we're more smart, doesn't it ?
didn't you notice that almost anyone has exactly that opinion about himself ?

regarding sales and advertisement people are not at all 'influenced' by what they see on a screen or a page - that would be just a bit too simple.
any marketing approach is targeted to 'resonate' something in a potential future customer that's deep inside.
Something that may not even have anything to do with the items to be sold.

Consider yourself as objective, rational and smart as you like - you won't be able to fight these forces - you are NOT in control - it's your emotions, your subconsciousness, your genes, your memories and your heritage.

Everyone insists to be immune and that only facts determine his prurchase decisions.
Which is pure nonsense according to my own experiences in sales
And even if I know about the rules, I'm no exception to this at all - it just feels damn uncomfortable to decide against the 'suggested' solution of an experienced salesman versus an alternative presented by a substitute. Honestly.

cheers, Tom