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So we got a new laptop with Vista at work today.

I must say I am WOWed
I am wowed because MS met my expectation and delivered the same crap wrapped into a prettier shell copied from another OS.
Let me see, I don't need widgets to improve my Windows "experience", I don't need 60 processes running in the background making sure I don't do something stupid, I don't need to see what's beneath the top window, I don't need to see the windows in 3D,
I'm not even sure if Scope will run with all the default security enabled. I think all applications are started with lower priviledges and a security message pops up every time the application is started. Thanks MS, that will trully enhance my "experience".

5 billion $ + 4 Years = pretty icons, a transparent desktop and a bunch of pesky messages


That pretty much summs up my first "experience" with Vista.

Sounds promising.

bingo !

The WOW starts now....

That's a cheery bunch of fellas, innit?

Looks like they've been "wowed" too...

It is ubelievable how a company can "repaint" an old product and call it new, then make a fortune with it.

LOL, Steve Ballmer's there, that man's certifiable!

See the madness: http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html

I love the "Developers - The Musical" video (digital dru did the music I think).

When you posted "I've been WOWed" I was somewhat concerned that we'd lost you to World of Warcraft...fortunately not!

The way the OS's philosophy is taking in these days is insane IMO.
I my opinion the operating system should be functional and easy to use. To be functional should be light, so the most of the cpu's resources can be reserved for really useful tasks (I mean the ones used by someone who use the computer for work)

The last windows (winXp and Vista especially) are heavy for nothing. It seems to me that who programmed them had in mind to do a good looking toy instead of a functional OS.

hi

its not possible to setup an old look and feel like in win xp ?

maybe the future looks like ...
one pc only for the os and one pc remote controlled to performing usefull tasks

lg widy

I can't honestly see what Vista can offer a creamware product user over XP or W2K.

The PCI bus is the same, so you'll get no more bandwidth there.

Most of the processing will still be on the creamware cards' DSPs, so changing the OS won't affect that. I doubt that the OS will have any effect on any of the algorithms which need to be run on the system's CPU and speed of memory access is dependant on FSB, not OS.

All your likely to get IMO is more security-related hassle trying to get the system to run code and allow hardware & drivers to be installed.

Yeah, I told some of my coworkers here that Microsoft should have called it "Paris", as the new OS reminded me of Paris Hilton..
Sort of pretty in a gaudy way, but more or less useless...

I have tried to use it at work and at home a few times, but each time I do, I end up having to go back to XP..

It'd be nice if they would release an OS for media professionals.

the point is... would you mind to pay for it ...accordingly ?

if Analog Devices sells 100 Sharc DSPs, there go
90 into processing wireless data
9 into high end consumer audio
and hopefully 1 ends in a media producer's DAW

in reverse it simply means to agree to pay 99 times what's charged for a 'standard OS'
let's take an averaged price and round the factor to a more convenient double zero value, so you'll end at 25k Euro for your dedicated workstation OS

admittedly, that's a bit high for a 'hobby' producer, but absolutely reasonable in 100% professional environments - if your living and efficiency depends on it.
Anything below an investment in that range is (imho) not feasable under realistic considerations from both the supplier's and the customer's viewpoint.
It would simply reapeat the blurb about vapour features as the dudes in the pic above are so boringly used to...

cheers, Tom

The stability of OSX is fantastic to experience (since I run my dual mac setup).
If I change the usb/midi routing while running Cubase SX3, the program crashes, the system never
Maybe this stability feature will be the same with Vista, along with streight install procedurers, very clear driver handling and better security (the latter never bin an issue on mac tho).
So (look who's saying), give it a chance...

tho that picture should have to lead to immediately dismissing the pr guy of M$...nothing WOW, only seemingly doubts on those faces...

cubase in xp doesn't crash from that....

but if it did, the os likely wouldn't. i think all the modern os's are plenty stable.

Counterparts wrote:I can't honestly see what Vista can offer a creamware product user over XP or W2K.

The PCI bus is the same, so you'll get no more bandwidth there.

Most of the processing will still be on the creamware cards' DSPs, so changing the OS won't affect that. I doubt that the OS will have any effect on any of the algorithms which need to be run on the system's CPU and speed of memory access is dependant on FSB, not OS.

All your likely to get IMO is more security-related hassle trying to get the system to run code and allow hardware & drivers to be installed.

I think Vista is encrypting data on the bus in order to protect its content. So that must add some overhead. Will it affect the Creamware card? Who wants to try it out?

I think, since Scope deals with audio data that could be copyrighted, MS might not even let its drivers run on Vista. Some one will eventually try this out and clear the things out.

scope runs in vista at 32bit. a vista driver would work a lot better.

http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... king+vista

i addmit i dont know much about os stuff and what is better and all that.

a lot of people hate xp and i find it stable for my uses once tweaked and given classic look/skin.

but omg, 3d windows? transperacy?!?1?!??!1? security on the hardware level?????/?

why? i just gotta lol.... sounds reall dodgy.

It is just a money history. Point
New OS = Money
New OS = News Hardware = Money
Moneyyyyyyyyyyy, tetontontontonnnnnnn, Moneyyyyyy ; )

hubird wrote:The stability of OSX is fantastic to experience (since I run my dual mac setup).

That's ''cos it's Unix under the hood (NetBSD IIRC)

i.e. it's a properly designed and implemented operating system.

I think that Windows is fine for a stand-alone home computer that you want to run games on, write the occasional letter, browse & email etc. but if you need any of the following:

o multi-user
o a server
o good security
o very stable OS

...then a Unix-based system is the way to go.