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hi all,

digitalaudiosoft will not sell his mseq*

here is the new digitalaudiosoft m/s mastering plugin : DYNPARA M / S

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http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com/download.html

New M/S algorithm and innovative dynamics eq:

"Dynpara m/s is a 4 bands dynamic equalizer working on mid/side section .You can link mid section and side section (default settings) or using the plugin as simple 4 band parametric equalizer on each section , or mixing the 2 combinations.

Parametric equalizer mode is set by clicking on the 4 button b1 para to b4 para.

Parametric is composed by 4 equalizer bands + 1high pass and 1 high shelf equalizer
Dynamic section is composed by 1 dynamic set of controls (treshold,attact,release and ratio) on each of the the 4 parametric bands on mid section (linkable with side section)
You can change the style of the dynamics , cut or boost the frequency, clicking on style button.

Exclusive Solo functions : You can hear each of dynamiq equalizer band separatly by clicking on one of the 4 solo bands.

Gain of mid section is ajustable from -inf to +12db
Gain of side section is ajustable from -inf to +12db
Final mix is ajustable with make up level.
1 mid insert fx stereo
1 side insert fx stereo

Bypass fx on each section and on full fx


This device will be soon avaible on CW shop,
demo is already avaible on DAS website, http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com

eric

*this is our decision,creamware is not responsable of this choice.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: digitalaudiosoft on 2006-09-27 14:18 ]</font>

i havent tried it but that interface looks sweet!

Does this means that it won't be available at all or that it will be shareware?

If the Polteq (that is what we are talking about, not?) would cost €20,- DAS would earn definitely as much mony as in the 'old' situation.
Who wouldn't want a good GUI for a for that price, specially as a (5 band) EQ is a multi-use type of plugin

On 2006-09-27 16:43, hubird wrote:
If the Polteq (that is what we are talking about, not?) would cost €20,- DAS would earn definitely as much mony as in the 'old' situation.
Who wouldn't want a good GUI for a for that price, specially as a (5 band) EQ is a multi-use type of plugin

plz hubird, this is not a thread about polteq !!! there are several places for it on this forum these days !

We would be very happy to have feedback about this one, MID SIDE DYNPARA functions,
demo is downloadable ...

cheers
olive

TECHNICAL AND ARTISRIC NOTES ABOUT DYNAMIC PARAMETRIC EQUALIZATION :
"What is it ? how does it work and for what use ?"

We are working since a very long time on this kind (way) of equalization, and we think it's the most musical way of equiing !
As if it was to be prooven, many famous manufacturers have issued these last months their .. harware or software .

Dynamic Parametric phylosophy :
It can be understand as a mixed of two technologies that do not act on the same caracteristic of an audio signal :
1 - Frequency : frequencial domain - it is an EQ
2 - Level : dynamic domain : it is a compressor !!!

HOW DOES IT WORK ?
Let's first talk about a standard parametric EQ.
When one frequency (or more of course but we will only talk about one frequency, the mechanism is reproductible) contained in an audio signal is not at it's "right level" (too much or too less) : what do we do ? we boost or cut it, that means we increase dor dicrease its level , whaterver the level of this frequency is !
we have got some sets of parameters to achieve this :
-FREQ pot that adjust the frequency on wich we want to "work"
- Q (quality factor) that act on the width of the frequency "band" anround the centered frequency stted by FREQ
- and GAIN Pot : that is used to inc/decrease the lelel of this given frequency

This is for "standard" parametric EQ

WHAT IS DIFFERENT WITH DYNAMIC PARAMETRIC EQ ?
The big difference is that you cut or boost the level of this "famous" frequency only when needed !

HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE IT ?
With a dynamic section for gain control instead of an unique GAIN pot !
The level of the defined frequency is control not only with a gain pot but a set of contrllers that comes from a compressor.

SO WHAT CONTROL DO WE HAVE ?
- FREQ pot (same as for PARA EQ)
- Q pot (same as for PARA EQ)
- Aset of dynamic controls : TRESHOLD, RATIO, ATTACK AND REALESE that acts on the level of the centered frequency !

At this point, we can see that the level of the centerd frequency is not affect all the time (whaterver is "real" level is) it is cutted or boosted only "WHEN NEEDED" and musical signals are full of situations where it is very usefull :

We will try to give here some concrete examples :

A VOCAL : try and supress this agressive frequency that appears when a singer begins to shout.
Let's take as an example one of my frinds, a singer with a sweet warm voice when he sing quietly !!! fantastic every thing is ok !!! but here it comes ! it begins to shout !!! (who have written these texts ???)
at that point i can here a very disagreable 4OOO Hz that appears on his voice ! shit what do i do !
with a "standard " para, i set the fred on 4K, afjust the Q and cut this 4K to -4 dB !!! OUF ! cool it works ...
few measure later he calm down his voice ! shit i miss this 4K that made his voice so sweet ! what do i do ? i boost the gain to 0 dB ?

NO it could be too long !!!

That's were i use the DYNAMIC PARAMETRIC EQ !!!

How do i do this setting ?
I set the freq on 4K, adjust the Q and look for the good treshold/ratio /attack /releas settings in order to cust this F...king freq only when he shouts !

FANTASTIC, here it is ! it works all time ; all along this song !!!

Sorry for my poor english but it wasn't so easy to explain it

Here is why we (and many others) think that DYNAMIC PARAMETRIC EQ is the most musical way of equiing !

As it works very well on few audio signals (drums, bass, gtr ...)

it also works very very well on complex signals as mixes sub groups ...

Just try it !!! demo is avaible

ANOTHER POINT TO BE TOLD !
You can achieve same thing with a multiband compressor !!! it works but it's not so easy to set up ! and to achieve 4 dynamic parametric bands, you will need a 9 bands compressor !!!


cheers, olive

"ANOTHER POINT TO BE TOLD !
You can achieve same thing with a multiband compressor !!! it works but it's not so easy to set up ! and to achieve 4 dynamic parametric bands, you will need a 9 bands compressor !!!"

In many cases a Dynamic EQ will do even a better job!
This is just my opinion. It is not so easy to build a highend multiband-compressor which has non audible phasing issues!
With the tools provided from creamware you can build great sounding dynamic EQs.

And I think DAS did it!

A dynamic EQ on MS-basis is a very nice Idea!

Martin

sonolive you're killing me

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: legros on 2006-09-28 04:53 ]</font>

Pro Tools has finally got some stiff competition.

chapeau! good explanation olive, this is what planetz needs! well done... will try it soon...

cheerz
roman

Looking foward to trying the Demo...more good news for Scope!

Hi, could someone help me get the difference to a multiband compressor?

On 2006-09-28 06:16, gainman wrote:
Hi, could someone help me get the difference to a multiband compressor?

That depends on what a multiband compressor-design you think. In a way - in the way what it does - it IS a multiband compressor, because it changes special frequency parts of a signal by raising and lowering the level depending on input level.

Difference under SCOPE is (correct me if I'm wrong):
A multiband compressor splits signal in different frequency-parts which then are compressed on their own.

A dynamic EQ under Scope uses parametric EQs which change their gain depending on whatever the developer makes them depend on.


Martin



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: MCCYRANO on 2006-10-01 02:51 ]</font>

On 2006-09-28 06:16, gainman wrote:
Hi, could someone help me get the difference to a multiband compressor?

aS I said, this function can be released with a multiband compressor !!!but it is very very very much more difficult to set up ! and also to develop.

regarding levels (gain) : it is the same thing > as i explained, the gain of the freq on witch you work is controlled by the same controls than a compressor !!

But what is much easier with dyn para, is the frequency selection !!!

if you want one band dyn para, you will need a 3 bands compressor !!! the first and the third ones are unused while only Band 2 "works".
In fact bands 1 and three are just "there" in order to fix the lowest and highet frequencies of the band 2 !!!
freq of the crossover betwenn 1&2 is the lowest frequency of band 2 and freq crossover between 2&3 is the upper frequency of band 2 !!! ouf ! OK ???
i know it's a bit hard to see, i will try to post pictures later !

at his point after having fixed the two corrsover frequency, we have not the center freq on witch we work but the bandwith of band 2 ! btw it's not bad att all !

But ... what about Q factor ??? this would be very very harder to set !!! See why ?

even if you try (and why not manage) to build a cross over with a lot af values (6db/oct , 12db/oct , 24 db/oct, 36 db /oct ... )
not only you are limited in this numerous of values !!! but it would consume lots of DSP power !!! and you should never equal the precision of the "standard" Q factor (that means Quality Factor)!!!

At this point, peharps Astroman could explain a bit more what he had began on another thred , i mean difference between RC and LC EQ's (even if it's real in analog mode and not really in digital one ! he could also explain that : how to build a HP filter in digital domain ...)

So here we are for one band dyn para !!!
what about for two bands ?
you would need a 5bands compressor !!!

bands 1,3,5 are unused (for the sames reason) as explained above !
only Bands 2 & 4 should "work" !!!

Every one follow ???

so :
practical application :
HOW MANY BANDS OF MULTI COMP SHOULD WE NEED to ACHIEVE A 3 DYNPARA ?
(the first good answer wins a free device !!! ...joke !

hope all is clearer now !

cheers
olive

i will work on pictures to illustrate all this







<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: sonolive on 2006-09-28 07:58 ]</font>

regarding levels (gain) : it is the same thing > as i explained, the gain of the freq on witch you work is controlled by the same controls than a compressor !!

But what is much easier with dyn para, is the frequency selection !!!

if you want one band dyn para, you will need a 3 bands compressor !!! the first and the third ones are unused while only Band 2 "works".

In short the above:
So you need a 3 band frequency splitter + one compressor for emulating one band.
- if you build it with highband/lowband filters, what would under Scope (matter of taste) lead to problems with many more bands... So you'd better do not split frequencies that often as such a complex device like this would require

Or: You need parametric Equalizers + the controlling.

Why emulating it with a multibandcompressor?
It is a dynamic EQ, not a multibandcompressor in classical use.

Martin

7 band splitting + 3 x compressor

... or three moving EQs ...




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: MCCYRANO on 2006-10-01 02:52 ]</font>

9?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hifiboom on 2006-09-28 08:57 ]</font>

Every one follow ???

not quite but... carry on!

Thanks, I think I got it!

Essentially both are doing "the same" in the sense that they give more or less of a given frequency band depending on the dynamics of that band.

But now I see that the implementation is very different.

And so can be the results. I guess that a graphic way to appreciate the difference is thinking that with a multiband compressor you are affecting each band as a whole. So the equivalent eq curve would be something like slope-flat-slope.

However with the dynamic eq you apply a more classical bell-shaped eq curve, with gain changing depending on the dynamics.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: gainman on 2006-09-28 11:38 ]</font>

HOW MANY BANDS OF MULTI COMP SHOULD WE NEED to ACHIEVE A 3 DYNPARA ?
(the first good answer wins a free device !!! ...joke !

Errr, seven?

12

arrg, it's only a joke

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spacef on 2006-09-28 12:45 ]</font>