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Friday April 28

$1.183 Canadian per liter = $1.0475 USD per liter = $4.19 USD per Gallon (4L).

what will the price be in july??


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ali on 2006-04-28 19:18 ]</font>

nice way to control the movement of populations, no?

fine if we get something better in replacement of cheap gas....

here in italy,
1 liter of unleaded gasoline is 1.3 euros.
The price is composed more by taxes than the real cost of it.

I pay about $1.25 per litre in Australia. That's about US 95c in our exchange rate.

Hi Ali, think your edited prices sounds better!
Here in Norway 1 liter of unleaded gasoline is ca NOK 12 (1,5 euros / $ 2,8.

Experts think it will reach NOK 15 this summer.

....and the cars are probably twice as expensive as in most countrys

Poland: 4.15PLN (1.05Euro) - 40% is the pric of fuel the rest are taxes. Experts say if the prices rise to $100 per barell (is the word ok?) it will be more or less 4.88PLN (1.22Euro). When I bought my first car (1999) the price was 2.30PLN (0.6Euro)

Well, what price is it to pillage our world to get yourself from A to B? I say double the price, it will be paid.

We know that oil is a limited resource?120years is a long time to do something but according to power a car, not much has changed, or?
Imagine what computers we will have in another 120years.

You need water, just open the tap?
How ignorant can we be more?

I am peeved that industries not let happen new alternatives to get away from the oil and power a car. It seems that they are more in love to build bigger and faster cars instead.

Sorry to rant around, but I don´t know if I should laugh or cry.

I know the petrol engine was a great invention and brought us much comfort and hyped us into new spheres. Also I know that some people just must have a car to live.

But I don´t want accept that we could be so short-sighted over 120years and drive us into such an addiction.

$2.98 / gallon around here in Miami, FL. It sucks because public transportation is so bad, it's hardly an alternative. Great way to boost automobile and gas sales eh?

BTW, Chris, I thought the next big thing is going to be hydrogen cars. (and electric cars) In terms of hydrogen cars, I think Mazda built a hydrogen version of their MR2 and actually filed legal papers for it so that hydrogen hybrids can become legal in a few years. And in terms of electric cars.. well, a team at my university in Japan recently built the fastest electric car on earth. Now that it's got recognition from the Japanese prime minister, who knows what can become of this technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica

But I completely agree with you and share your concern. It looks like many of the oil companies are using their oil sales to fund research for alterate power sources, or atleast they make it appear that way. If that's true, then there still may be some hope. I'm sure that they know that if they find something safe and green, then it's worth zillion times more than oil.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2006-04-29 06:30 ]</font>

Uk prices currently range from £0.93 > £1.10 per litre depending on where you live & which petrol station you use. The average is around £1.00 per litre. We had a strange incident a few months ago which seemed like a setup to test peoples 'panic buying'. The media announced that prices were set to go up by around 10pence per litre due to fuel shortages on a certain date & that blockades & demonstrations would again sweep the UK's petrol stations & oil refineries in protest of the price increase & thus causing fuel not to get to the stations (re:- shortages). The outcome was mass panic buying (at already inflated prices). There were traffic jams due to the amount of traffic queing at petrol stations to fill their tanks before the prices went up, when they already had
After the short event, strangely it was reported that nobody turned up to demonstrate & block the refineries & there was actually no need for all the strange panic. Fuel prices almost immediately dropped back down & everyone went about their business a few quid worse off In retrospect, I really think it was a big setup with alterior motives.

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On 2006-04-29 04:51, ChrisWerner wrote:
I am peeved that industries not let happen new alternatives to get away from the oil and power a car. It seems that they are more in love to build bigger and faster cars instead.

Unfortunatelly you are right, IMHO. But the problem of blocking revolutionary inventions in a norm these days.

There is an inventor here in Poland who found a better way to make cars safer - he invented special buffers which stop most of the crash power. This invention makes safety belts and airbags unuseful and no car company is interested in floateing it. Sad but true I bet pharmaceutical corporation buy revolutionary inventions and then put them on a shelve not to allow their other products to be discontinued...

Interesting (or sad?) to see that people are more concerced about the prices on petrol, than the effect that all this burning of fosil fuels have on the global weather systems...

Hi,

Here goes with another bold statement: still fuel is too cheap

Here's my reasoning why: working in international transport, I see basic vegetables like tomatoes being flown over from over 2000km away. As if we can't grow our own. Farmers here are going bankrupt if they can't survive on the EU financial support. When I did courier job collecting ground samples from local tomato farmers, I saw them living inpoverty working day and nite, half of them went bankrupt each yearm regardless of the EU support they're getting for working in a difficult sector. Yet we can afford to import tomatoes from Portugal, where I saw Belgian tomatoes in the supermarket too. And yes, even after transportation costs (the major part being fuel), they make a profit selling them tomatoes (a low value product IMO) from 2000km away.

This is just one silly example, I can give some more and I guess there's way more outside my personal experience. Using our sparse fossile fuel to import stuff that can easily be produced locally, then giving state support to the threatened local bio industry - isn't that sick?

The only solution I see in that, and that has nothing to do with protectionism, is to buy local products. Even if it hurts my own business eh.

Comparing fuel prices like that is a bit weird, since 90% of the price is tax and there's lots of other taxes (car tax, road tax, etc.) that make differences on the price per km for a car.

For the record, I paid 1.1euro for a liter of petrol the other day. Aviation products (including fuel) are exempt of all tax.

Have a nice day,

at0m.

ps. Anyone checked on the profits of major fuel companies lately? Anyone have an idea where their money is going?

At0m, those are brilliant points you are bringing forth. I myself have bought red peppers, here in Chicago, brought from Belgium (i think).

As far as the profits that the oil companies made in the last quarter (i think) is in the range of 8 billions or i think someone said about 50 millions a day. What are they doing with that money is beyond me. Drilling more holes in the Earth?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2006-04-29 10:58 ]</font>

On 2006-04-29 04:51, ChrisWerner wrote:
Well, what price is it to pillage our world to get yourself from A to B? I say double the price, it will be paid.

We know that oil is a limited resource?

yes, it's limited, but there's NO shortage. it NOT a fossil fuel. it is abiogenic. it is a function of the earth. carbon, hydrogen and oxygen are 3 of the most common elements on or in the earth...

these prices are artificial. you europeans are used to kings, and you find them proper. here in the usa, we outed them as false gods, yet still they rule without pity.

there are better alternatives, but this oil "addiction" is not the problem. the problem is those rulers who offer only oil, but at the cost of life and liberty, just so one is able to move the possesions, money and energy required of the lifestyle that the same rulers offer as good.

in other words, it's like a government making an evil destructive drug, organizing the growth of the plant it comes from, organizing a mafia to sell it, making sure it is glamorized in the media, profiting from it's sale, and then making it's use illegal and arresting it's subjects and then building labor camps and confiscating property.

the oil situation is nothing short of despotism. "those who know better" really should know better than to use that knowledge to make slaves. they are not on a "higher evolutionary point" and they are not fit to rule based on how they do it.

oil will always be a dirty fuel, but the level of filth is a direct relationship to the greed of those manipulating it.

according to "market principles", gasoline should be no more than 30-50 cents a gallon us. there is oil for the next 1000 years. wells refill regularly. there was a major scandal last year when inter company memos were leaked detailing the need to buy up independant refiners of gasoline for the purpose of shutting them down to keep prices artificially high. google around you'll find the documents.

peak oil is a lie, a mechanism of control, like crime and terrorism. many problems won't be solved on purpose. ordo ab chao


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-29 10:41 ]</font>

As far as the profits that the oil companies made in the last quarter (i think) is in the range of 8 billions or i think someone said about 50 millions a day. What are they doing with that money is beyond me.

only because you are short-sighted and don't see WHO the ultimate owners of those profits are. the british crown is at the top of the oil pyramid, along with other royalty. check for yourself. check CAREFULLY. these assets are often hidden, nested like a russian doll..these people think they are a better race than mere humans. don't think so? try to talk to one. let me know how that goes.

they are consolidating power and living like gods. they are paying for research to live forever(genetically and even better, mechanically) and conquer the stars. they are breeding slaves. what else would such hell-beings do?

it's "beyond" you, because YOU wouldn't act like that. in fact, YOU can't believe such a scenario to even be real! if you think about it, those figure for oil campany profits are the "money that solves all problems". it is "enough" to pay for food clothing and education for most everybody. it is the world's resources and energy refined into a symbol and metaphor(money), and it's being wasted by a few who want to blame it on the flock that they manage. you can't blame the flock if they overgraze their range. they go where the shepherd leads them.

It's scary how a term like polution doesn't enter a threadf like this one.

Even experts hired by the Bush-administration are saying that they can't deny that "it looks like" the use of fosil fuels have had on influence on the global weathersystems.

I'm afraid that 1 or 2 or 10 euroes for a liter of petrol are the least of the problems that we are going to face in the near future well within our own lifespan.

"Ah fuck it - Lets Rock'N'Roll and let our children take care of the mess we are creating now" - seems to be the moto of our times.

On 2006-04-29 10:58, garyb wrote:

only because you are short-sighted and don't see WHO the ultimate owners of those profits are.

Oh, I wouldn't go that far and try to antagonize me. I admit I have no interest and time to track that information but that doesn't make me "short sighted", only uninterested.

As far as alternative modes of transportation, we have trains and buses, which would be far more efficient if they would be used regularly. However, here in US, the corporate propaganda has decided that the freedom of movement in a car is part of the fundamental freedoms of every citizen.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2006-04-29 11:10 ]</font>

i said oil is dirty.
it doesn't have to be as dirty as it is, however. also, the same folks that sell oil could sell something cleaner, seeing as they own everything.....

if you don't care who your slave master is, then of course you don't get what's going on. Bingo, i am NOT being adversarial, though it might seem that way. cars can be very clean, but that's not the point. neither is whether or not a car is even a good idea. in los angeles, it's a nessessity, in chicago, maybe not. in either location, it might be a stupidity. either way, slavery and deception is the issue. the only truly american issues, i might also suggest.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-29 11:15 ]</font>

On 2006-04-29 11:07, petal wrote:
Even experts hired by the Bush-administration are saying that they can't deny that "it looks like" the use of fosil fuels have had on influence on the global weathersystems.

oil use is(mostly) stupid. global warming is a hoax(not the reality, the reason).