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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:42 am
by Zer
If so, please point out some how to's.

http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/g_twelve_tone.html

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:46 am
by Nestor
Ufff... that was long, long time ago, about 20 years... All I remember is that it was amusing for a couple of weeks, while studying in the conservatory, then, it was quite boring as its "intention" if I may say has a strong colour that is repeated for ever, due to the characteristics of the scales.

Not very helpful I guess, but well, this is what I remember.

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:20 am
by kensuguro
are you talking about serial music? If so, I'd suggest you go on to something more productive. I think it's just out of style.. mostly intellectually.

Just think of it this way, it's the most primal form of algorithmic composition. (or I guess more accurately, math music)

I think this site teaches you how to do it.
http://www.sci.wsu.edu/math/Lessons/Music/

But this is like making a machine and being amazed at the machine's ability to do what's it's been designed to do. Like a calculator. I don't think calculators make art. I mean, sure you can calculate things for art.. but it's going to take some more complex calculations than what serialism does.

I guess the importance of serialism is that it paved way for "generated" material. So it created context for many of the important ideas that we use now. Because pre-serialism, everything, every note had to have a reason for existing and had to be explained by the rules of functional tonality. So, serialism was a good way saying "the hell with it". Heh, in a way it's like punk rock!

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:43 am
by paulrmartin
Berg wrote some incredibly lyrical 12-tone music. It's all in the choice of the series.

Strange that you bring this topic up, Zer. I have a 12-tone piece in the works right now.

:smile:

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:00 am
by Zer
I´d like to listen to it...actually, I don`t really know how it could sound in modern context and how to realize it using normal equipment (I´d say so far as I´ll get it you have to sample ervery tone and finetune it and make some samplekits from) it. But correct me if I´m wrong...I still haven`t had a look into wikipedia for the basics, but - hey - I thought a musicians board could perhaps point out the things more precise.

As for serieal music I´d sy I`m the wrong man...It´s a pity I can`t stand maths (and I´m a looser in it) so I try to avoid mathmatics when possible.