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Hello,

when i use the midi interface of my powersampler (scope 4.0) then my pc freezes, sometimes after 5 min, sometimes after hours.
I have tried a lot of things:
- all Settings of Pci Latency
- disconnected all pci cards
- deleted all unnecessary processes
- Midi Filter (just note on/off)

My System:
Win XP + Service Pack 1
CPU: P4 2.8E GHz Northwood
MB: Asus P4P800 Deluxe
RAM: 2x512MB Samsung
GFX: Geforce 6800 GT
Power: Enermax 450 W
Keyboard: XP 50 Roland

I tried also another Creamwarecard, the Scope Project. But always the same problem, no matter if i am in sequencer programm or just in sfp using the synths.

Here 2 links to some infos about my system:
http://www.second-evolution.de/pigmexx/process.jpg
http://www.second-evolution.de/pigmexx/ressourcen.jpg

Please help.

Mexx

did you try useing another controller keyboard?
maybe its the Roland

I have the same motherboard (only not the luxe)and I also had the same problem,

first of all have a look at this thread:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=3&90
imho one of the most usefull threads here on Z

I think youre graphicscard and usb are sharring the same irq (this could cause problems!)

I would get rid of the SB-audigy (less is better)

good luck!

Have you tried standard PC mode?
What is that leerlaufprozess? It's using up all your PC process and that's what maybe your problem.

1) do you have HyperThread turned off?
If not, turn it off.

2) do you have a MIDI feedback loop?
If you have Sequencer Src -> Sequencer Dst, I would recommend that you break that loop.

Hello again,

first off all, thanks a lot for the fast answers.
@rolo:
great tip, i havent tried this yet.

@virtual studio:
i read the thread but i didnt found anything i havent tried. did u solve the problem about midi? and when how?
i will try to change the irq from the gfx card.
the sb audigy isnt the problem because also if i disconnect the card from the mainboard->same problem.

@music maniac:
how can i try the standard pc mode?
leerlaufprozess is the german word for no operation.

@ScofieldKid:
i turned off the HT but still the same problem.
No Midi Feedback Loop.
http://www.second-evolution.de/pigmexx/cwproj.jpg
And it also happens when i play a ceramware synth without other program.

@stardust:
i disabled active sensing from the keyboard and with midi filters. same problem.

So thanks a lot again. I will read the posted thread and try an other keyboard. I will let u know when i solved the problem.

Maybe someone has an other suggestion.

Mexxx

how can i change the irq of my agp gfx-card in windows xp? and i am little bit confused about the standard pc. so i have to reinstall windows to have this mode?

On 2005-12-10 14:44, Mexxx wrote:
......so i have to reinstall windows to have this mode?

no, but you have to reinstall drivers

maybe i got the solution for my problem.
in an other thread ( Pulsar 1 & Windows XP & Cubase SX 3 seems instable ) the same system and problem has been posted.

the solution was a midi interface. so i give it a try and let u know if its workin.

thanks for the many answers.

I must write down this: Besides freezing with midi, I experienced very strange misbehaviours: When I connect audio on STM 16 S mixer channel 5, it is copied on channel 6.It is like they are two instances of the same channel. Muting audio on 5, mutes it on 6. There is no posibillity to connect different ins ( asio 1L and 1R becomes 1L and 1L ).Panning also prooves that there is a problem.
( No the channels are not paired...)
What is wrong with this junk ? Why Creamware hasn't updated their wdm drivers since 2002? BTW, Control Room output 5 is dead also !!!. I doubt that it has anything with IRQ's and MIDI ! It is a simple BUG. Try it yourself ... I want someone to try and see if it is a bug, or I have gremlins in my computer !!!
Forgot to tell... The wiring seems OK, but if you open the mixer surface, you will notice this. It is not just bad label, it is really messed up. Try it yourself and you will see.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-01-02 01:38 ]</font>

you have a screwed up system!!!
this stuff works great for every computer i have set up.

definitely not a bug!

So, you want to say that it is working fine with your systems ? No such screwups? Have you tried it, as I described previously? So, can it be that the card wich I have is broken ? I am desperate to fix it, I have been meddling with it for a week ! If it is working fine on your systems, it must be something wrong with my scope board - I simply can't find out if it is computer or the board itself !!!

I would like to know if there is some sort of BIOS or FIRMWARE update for luna 2 board... Please help !

oops, I now see that you was talking about the S mixer, which I never used.

But it's the first time I hear about the kind of (weird) problem you seem to have.
I'm on mac, I can't help you, but I know for sure that Scope is a very stable and hassle free system, given a well tweaked audio pc.

There seem to be some little bugs that can be worked around, I myself are not aware of ANY bug (on mac, as I said, and I don't record 'life' stuff, to have said that).

If you think you really know what you do on those surround mixers concerning routing and cables, and you're still convinced that the problems are real, I'd contact Creamware when they are back in bussiness after the Xmas off days.
Phone them, as you get a better involvement probably.

And another thing: leave what you are trying to do for a few days and start making some music with the 'normal' stuff.
At least you get some fresh air in your mind, and start enjoying your card, as it is a great system anyway
Not of much help I guess, but jumping on another train for a while makes you move at least
Good luck.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2006-01-02 15:21 ]</font>

there have been similiar complaints like yours where people insisted their card is broken - when it eventually turned out that the powersupply was too weak...

relax - I dunno what's in your box, but Windows is capable of turning into nonsense from one moment to the next.
it CAN be made to work reliable, but it never looses this potential of complete madness

a mobo is a complex item and it's mass fabriced for a ridiculous price - you CANNOT expect flawless operation from something like that.
it may work flawless tho, because statistics is on your side

I've seen non-matching Rams trigger error messages that '... the driver bla bla is not installed...'
etc etc
the statistical chance that the card is broken versus any of what's written above (and a fe more items not mentioned) is very, very low.

cheers, Tom

On 2006-01-02 01:36, psionic wrote:
...When I connect audio on STM 16 S mixer channel 5, it is copied on channel 6.

No, it IS just the label

Muting audio on 5, mutes it on 6. There is no posibillity to connect different ins ( asio 1L and 1R becomes 1L and 1L ).

not on this system

cheers, Tom

Thanks for the replies,

to astroman:
It is really only the label... Sorry I was very mad about a few problems with scope, and harshly concluded that it is something more than a label bug.
But, I have checked again the 'ControlRoom', and output 5 is dead for sure. I want to know if someone else has similar problems.

...and for other things you wrote... I agree 100 % It is a world of Virtual Reality - everything is virtual. Nothing real...

to hubird:
I am working on a theatre project and that is why I noticed the problem with surround mixer now. It seems that whatever I do, there is a hidden bug in every app. I try to make some music and - bug here, broken system there...
OK, thanks for the reply...

to anyone:

Please try ControlRoom on WindowsXP, and post a reply.

My opinion is if they have bugs on their basic modules - it could be a bug in the midi system that causes freezing problem. Active sensing, clock, etc., it must be handled properly by the hardware/software.
... and they aren't cheap at all




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-01-02 22:47 ]</font>

nice to read it's just the label on your side, too - it IS a bug (of course), but one of those I immediately forget about and ignore.
Maybe I'm more forgiving because I've spend endless nights in front of the screen programming (years ago)

BUT... I've done it on a Mac, with sophisticated software ($10k toolkit) - it still was hard enough, and often small things suddenly revealed a potential to become complete showstoppers.

I wouldn't even dare to THINK to try the same with M$ tools like visual-I-dunno_sh*t under what they consider 'operating system'.
I remember well an Oracle developer on CeBit fair who told me '...Win NT is bullsh*t - but our customers want it, we get paid for it and so we'll do it...'

That was many years ago and for sure things haven't turned out to become more simple on the developement side of things

On 2006-01-02 22:30, psionic wrote:
...But, I have checked again the 'ControlRoom', and output 5 is dead for sure.
...
Please try ControlRoom on WindowsXP, and post a reply.

My opinion is if they have bugs on their basic modules - it could be a bug in the midi system that causes freezing problem. Active sensing, clock, etc., it must be handled properly by the hardware/software.
... and they aren't cheap at all

any 'candidate' for a (partly) functional replacement starts at least 4 times as expensive AND comes with regular update fees PLUS the requirement for new hardware 'sorry we don't support this anymore...'

I don't use the control room device myself, but if it would behave strange, I'd just replace it with a micromixer and a couple of switches or a modular patch or whatever.
Since the usual remedy is a complete re-install (which is quicker than trying to dig up the source anyway), I'd just delay it to the next unavoidable Win cleanup and live with the cludge above.
But that's just me.
I get paid for making systems run to do a certain job - it's that job that counts, whatever it takes, in the end nobody cares

cheers, tom

ps: done that control room thing
you're correct about #5 - it does not live...
an easter egg ?

check out the devices forum for switches - there have been many to supply this function

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2006-01-03 04:15 ]</font>

standard pc