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This week, November 7, the average temperatures = 67°F = 19.4°C in Chicago!!!
Last Saturday to Sunday morning 22 people died when a tornado struck southern Indiana!!!



Gary, do you still claim this normal?

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normal??

heck no!

something like this, most likely...
http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html
afaik, there are several installations such as this, the first built by the soviets...

"BBC news" Quote:
The Kyoto accord was designed to limit the gas emissions blamed by some scientists for global warming, but Mr Bush says such restrictions will harm the US economy.

If one wants to be a world leader, one must know how to look after the entire Earth and not only American industry,"

When people around here claim God is telling them to do things, they get taken to hospital and medicated until they come down. Bush took his country to war based on "God told me". Go figure.

Here in Belgium, it's still 20'C and more, as if the summer's continued since august. We're a week in november and should have had some thunderstorms for over a month or so, but instead there's bright sunshine and few clouds... I don't mind this weather, but one can hardly say this is normal eh.
Usually we have our first frost about now... Global warming? nah

I quite clearly remember how cold and nasty the weather was just one year ago.
One has to look at the development or change over time and should not conclude from isolated incidents, like for example the unusual weather we have seen this year all over the planet. Still this years weather has been seen before many times all the way through the last century. My point being, don't jump to conclusions.

That said, I too find it hard to believe that our (mankinds) curent behavior is not affecting the global climate.

Now if only they could make these dark winters lighter too.....

On 2005-11-08 06:38, petal wrote:

One has to look at the development or change over time and should not conclude from isolated incidents, like for example the unusual weather we have seen this year all over the planet.

Yes, look here:
http://www.climatehotmap.org/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/fcons.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/issue.cfm?subnav=12
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0409/feature1/

Fine!

Now:
Turn off the heat.
Turn off the light.
Stop using your car.
Stop flying airplanes.
Turn off your computer...
Stop eating food grown using fertilizers (oilbased)
etc etc....

It is not going to happen - this world will burn every single drop of oil untill it's not profitable (as in dollars) any more.

I'm not saying that I disagree with you, theres just far more to the picture than a few hurricanes and a warm autumn.

If you look at how the climate has evolved over centuries there have been both colder and warmer periods. And the period we seem to be in now might not be caused only by human activity - Allthough I too believe that our activities has a certain inpact on the global climate, it might just not be as drastic as you make it sound in this thread - at least it's dangerous to just assume without understanding. And to my knowledge scientist doesn't fully understand global climate-systems yet.

Where does it say in the manual that the sun is constant . I'm not disagreeing with global warming but we haven't been measuring these things for long enough to really come to a definitive conclusion have we .We can almost certainly say that temperature on the planet varies over time but why it varies we cant really definitely say can we ? ...can we ?
Like in the 60's Sydney was hot and dry in the eighties it was cool and wet in the 2000's it was shithouse and dry . Now we are getting wet again ??? I know that we have an energy transfer input but how signficant is it in terms of the system when we've got this huge fusion reactor cooking away 98 million miles of nothing away from us , you know what I mean .

if you're really able to prove it, it'll definitely be too late...

On 2005-11-09 02:31, skwawks wrote:
Where does it say in the manual that the sun is constant.

In fact it is not. The Sun temperature is increasing about 10% every one million year. That means in about two-three millions years we will have to move on Mars or one of the Jupiter's moons.

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On 2005-11-09 02:31, skwawks wrote:
but we haven't been measuring these things for long enough to really come to a definitive conclusion have we ?

We have, you just have to take a look at those links above if you want to convince yourself.

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yep! "In the heat of the night" got a new meaning.

Sorry Bingo I'm not convinced . Scientific methodology has been in existence for what, 300 years ?Whats the life cycle of a star ,I actually dont know but could you say in the millions? ...billions?
Interstellar space is full of dust clouds ,hydrogen clouds ,dark matter whatever the f... that is , gravity gradients ? and we are moving through space all the time . What happens when we hit a htdrogen cloud ,does the sun flare...dim...does it stay the same but we get shaded ?What happened to the dinosaurs was it an asteroid collision was it a solar flare did they get burnt?...irradiated ?...bird flu ? I dont know ,you dont know ,greenpeace doesn't know .nobody friggin knows ,but one thing is for sure, there are a hell of a lot of academics making a nice living with lots of nice little jaunts around the planet cos they are willing to say that they do know . I dont think there is anything wrong with that at all , but, I deeply distrust certainty and all who sail in her , there is always an agenda isn't there ?
Cheers
Paul

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
Sorry Bingo I'm not convinced.

Probably no one will convince you.

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
Scientific methodology has been in existence for what, 300 years ?

A lot of Earth's climate history is preserved in the snow layers at the arctic poles.

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
Whats the life cycle of a star ,I actually dont know but could you say in the millions? ...billions?

That's pretty well established, it depends on the star's size and composition. It is also pretty well established what is the age of our Sun and how long it will last.

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
and we are moving through space all the time . What happens when we hit a htdrogen cloud ,does the sun flare...dim...does it stay the same but we get shaded ?What happened to the dinosaurs was it an asteroid collision was it a solar flare did they get burnt?...irradiated ?...bird flu ?

You probably know that the Solar system itself is moving in and out of one of the branch of the Milky Way, (our galaxy). Scientists believe ice age happened when the Solar system moved out of it.

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
I dont know ,you dont know ,greenpeace doesn't know .nobody friggin knows ,but one thing is for sure, there are a hell of a lot of academics making a nice living with lots of nice little jaunts around the planet cos they are willing to say that they do know .

If you can back your comments with any valid references that prove your assertion, I won't even bother answering this.

On 2005-11-09 16:13, skwawks wrote:
I dont think there is anything wrong with that at all , but, I deeply distrust certainty and all who sail in her , there is always an agenda isn't there ?
Cheers
Paul

What do you trust?

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Well I stopped trusting a long time ago and I'd advise anyone to do the same . What do you trust ? I think our history is littered with about turns and refutations of previously accepted dogma and theories and so I'm sorry when a "respectable" pundit comes along to present the latest "theory" although it "may" be an improvement on what has gone before and although it may very well be a good working hypothesis to imagine it is the final summation of everything is just plain stupid and blind support for the saying that if you dont study history you are doomed to repeat it . No offense and all that
cheers
Paul

skwawks, i agree with you this time. your last two posts have hit the nail on the head. global warming is one of the final pushes to a worldwide fascist order, as is peak oil(another lie, oil has been shown to be abiotic. there's a world glut of oil, and old wells thought drying up have amazingly refilled, so all the refineries have been shut down to enforce shortage ). flouride is a major componant of anti-depressants like paxil and that's why it's in the water.....

you certainly can't believe in "terrorists" either, as any time you really dig in to the backround of a "terrorist" you'll find cia, kgb, mi6 and mossad. so, don't think that though global warming itself may be a fraud, that there isn't a human effect on the weather. that effect is not very cool and that it needs to be identified and stopped. and for that i say "bingo"(nice try).


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On 2005-11-10 16:32, skwawks wrote:
What do you trust ?

I trust my own reason.

On 2005-11-10 16:32, skwawks wrote:
I think our history is littered with about turns and refutations of previously accepted dogma and theories and so I'm sorry when a "respectable" pundit comes along to present the latest "theory" although it "may" be an improvement on what has gone before and although it may very well be a good working hypothesis to imagine it is the final summation of everything is just plain stupid and blind support for the saying that if you dont study history you are doomed to repeat it.

You mean the theory of gravity postulated by Newton was later refuted by Einstein's special theory of relativity? Can you give any examples of those "theories" and dogmas? You are too vague. There are many theories.

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On 2005-11-10 21:06, garyb wrote:
global warming is one of the final pushes to a worldwide fascist order,

I disagree.
First, who would push such order and for what purpose? I mean, if someone would want to do this, why not simply impose sanctions or invade other countries? (oh wait, that already happened!)

Second, the effects of global warming are pretty obvious and are threatening the economic structure in many countries.



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The discussion usually is about whether global warming is a fact or not - lets suppose that global warming is a fact (and hope that it is not).
What do you think we should do about it?
What actions are to be taken?
How can I as an individual help preventing the global warming?