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Hi,
I am ,,old school Cubase user´´ for a long time, but some days ago I persuaded myself to experience strange looking software called Ableton Live 5

After a few days of testing I must say it is cool. Session and Arrangment concept provides the most of Cubase linear style with possibility of groove and live style making music.

In addition, the graphics & screen layout is for the first look strange and cheap, but for ral work is very efficient and effective (little bit ,,Pro Tools Style´´).

Of course I can use all effects and instruments as in Cubase.

Starting Initialization of Ableton is much more faster than Cubase

Only thing I did not find out is how to use XTC effects and instruments in XTC mode ?

Does anybody know and what is your opinion on Ableton ? (I must repeat that for a long time I was defender of Cubase against softwares like Reason, Fruity Loops, Cakewalk, Sonar etc)



Peter

Hi,

I use Ableton (on my laptop) and it is a brilliant, fast, easy way to get on with music making. As far as using it with XTC I am no help. I can't even use XTC with Cubase or Logic.

Check out the forum - there are loads of threads concerning your questions.
To get you started:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=32&11

Now I can load XTC devices in XTC mode into Ableton, but the sound is full of crackles. I tried trick with changing ULLI setting before loading device. But crackles are still.

Can you help me ???

XTC under Cubase worked ok and FYI I have Pulsar I.

Have you tried this?

from Gonzoft FAQ ;

7. XTC mode does not remember your ULLI settings unless you do the following:

Add the following entry into your /SFP/App/Bin/Cset.ini under item
[XTC-config]:

intBlkSize=x

whereby x is a values out of 64, 128, 256, 512 or 1024 and translates as follows to the card's latency:

64: latency = 3 ms
128: latency = 4 ms
256: latency = 7 ms
512: latency = 13 ms
1024: latency = 25 ms

A wrong latency will still be displayed in the ULLI Settings of the ASIO Control Panel, but you can ignore this.

It is a good idea to refresh the plugin info display after changing ULLI settings.

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And maybe it's a good idea to read this thread too - I believe it contains all the info and tricks you need to come up and running.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 66&forum=3

Of course, I tried trick with intBlkSize. I use Cubase and it works ok, but not in Ableton, where sound from XTC devices is full of crackles...???

It's working fine here.

Which driver are you using - What does it say in "Audio Devices" in Options/preferences. It says "ASIO SCOPE" here, and the Driver Type is "ASIO".

I really use ASIO driver (nor MMX or Direct). Which XTCproject are you using ?

Just the standard one, which I have edited in order to be able to use the wave-drivers while running in XTC-mode, which means that I have added a module to the project, nothing else.

I am using slightly modified project also...but I tried to use different ASIO modules (16,24,32 bit) but still the same result...crackles in the sound....((

XTC behaves in mysteries ways, which might be why CW don't support it any more.

The trick where you can make 3rd party-devices available in XTC-mode works here, but not all devices which has been proven to work on other systems.

I can only recommend that you try lots of different settings - I too had crackles in Live at first, but I made them dissappear. It's been a while since I made it work, but I believe the solution had something to do with how the ASIO-driver was loaded, or which setings it was loaded with - make sure that cset-file is configured correctly. I think thats the best advice I can give you.

Maybe if you post a sample of the crackles there might be a CW-ear that knows what is wrong?

I don´t really know ( this is my cset.ini

Runpep]
InScreen=1
Language=English

[FileBrowser]
All Files=0
STS-Samples=0
LastPath=s:/Samples/SF2/Bass/

[AudioFormats]
Wav=Wav

[Installer]
Version=3.0
App=SFP
OS=3.1
ProductID=3

[ReferenceResolver]
All files_Paths=C:/Scope/;
Modules/Devices_Paths=C:/Scope/Devices/;
Presets_Paths=C:/Scope/Presets/;
All files_AutoUse=1
Modules/Devices_AutoUse=1
Presets_AutoUse=1

[StaticPath]
Modules=
Modular=C:/Scope/Modular2 Modules/
Projects=C:/Scope/Projects/Examples/
Effects=C:/Scope/Devices/Effects/
Presets=C:/Scope/Presets/
HardwareIOs=C:/Scope/App/Application/IOs/Hardware/
SoftwareIOs=C:/Scope/App/Application/IOs/Software/
Bitmaps=C:/Scope/MRC Skins/
Devices=C:/Scope/Devices/
Samples=C:/Scope/Samples/

[Path]
Bitmaps=C:/Scope/MRC Skins/
Projects=C:ScopeAppXTCApp

[APPEARANCE]
ToolTips=1
GridY=5
GridX=5
DragWindows=1
StandardCursor=1

[LOAD]
AlignSurfaces=1
LoadMixer=STM 1632.dev
LoadMixerEnabled=1
LoadDefBoard=0

[AUTOCONNECT]
InstrumentToMixer=1
EffectToMixer=1
AudioSrcToMixer=1
DeviceToMidiSrc=2

[SFP]
Favourites_Minimized=1
Favourites_Size=187
FileBrowser_Minimized=0
FileBrowser_Size=564
Dsp Load_SizeY=106
Dsp Load_SizeX=194
Top_Minimized=0
Top_Size=419
About_Show=0
About_PosX=254
About_PosY=14
ControlRanger_Show=0
ControlRanger_PosX=412
ControlRanger_PosY=291
ControlRanger_TopLevel=2000
SFPBar_PosX=782
SFPBar_PosY=2
SFPBar_SizeX=238
SFPBar_SizeY=518
SFPBar_TopLevel=100000
SFPBar_RestoredSizeY=518
Bottom_Size=88
Bottom_Minimized=0
DSPLoad_Load=0
Dsp Load_Show=0
Dsp Load_PosX=470
Dsp Load_PosY=397
Dsp Load_TopLevel=2000
Registry_Load=0
ModuleRegistry_Show=0
ModuleRegistry_PosX=361
ModuleRegistry_PosY=357
ModuleRegistry_TopLevel=2000
Options_Load=0
Options_Show=0
Options_PosX=359
Options_PosY=376
Options_TopLevel=2000
Resolver_Load=0
ReferenceResolveOptions_Show=0
ReferenceResolveOptions_PosX=302
ReferenceResolveOptions_PosY=104
ReferenceResolveOptions_SizeX=332
ReferenceResolveOptions_SizeY=250
SFPRouting_Show=1
SFPRouting_PosX=-6
SFPRouting_PosY=-3
SFPRouting_SizeX=789
SFPRouting_SizeY=595
SFPRouting_TopLevel=0
FileBrowser_Show=0
FileBrowser_PosX=236
FileBrowser_PosY=0
FileBrowser_SizeX=238
FileBrowser_SizeY=518
FileBrowser_TopLevel=1
Splitter_Size=0
Splitter_Minimized=1
SFPDesktop_PosX=0
SFPDesktop_PosY=0
SFPDesktop_SizeX=1055
SFPDesktop_SizeY=548
SFPDesktop_Maximize=0
PulsarConfigSurface_Show=0
PulsarConfigSurface_PosX=377
PulsarConfigSurface_PosY=451
PulsarConfigSurface_TopLevel=2000

[SEQPATH]
Path2=C:/Program Files/Cubase Plugins
Path1=C:/Program Files/Cubase Plugins

[ASIO]
XTCMode=1
application=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/XTC.pro
Pluginwrapper1=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstsynthplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper2=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper3=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vstplugin.mdl
Pluginwrapper4=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/vsthostplugin.mdl

[XTC-Config]
AddHost=1

[Host]
Scoperev=128

[Host-Config]
Numboards=1
Board0=Host

[hw]
intBlkSize=512

[FILELIST]
Akai-Samples=0
Wave=0

[Scope]
PulsarConfigSurfaceShow=0
PulsarConfigSurfaceY=360
PulsarConfigSurfaceX=511

[RecentFileList]
Entry5=
Entry4=
Entry3=
Entry2=D:/000000/XTCProject.pro
Entry1=c:/scope/app/SFPApp/StartProject.pro
Entry0=C:/Scope/App/XTCApp/XTCProject.pro


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Peter Cherry on 2005-10-31 11:27 ]</font>

Hmm, mine are a bit different:

Try this:


[XTC-Config]
AddHost=1
intBlkSize=128

[hw]
intBlkSize=128

Hope it helps!

I tried to add one more intblocksize but i had to leave 512 because I have Pulsar I and its minimum latency is 13ms (512).

But still crackles... ((

And also no midi signal from my keyboard in XTC mode (in Cubase everything ok)....

I'm sorry to say this, but I think the only thing I con think of that I would try now, would be a complete reinstallation of windows, live and Scope following all the tricks and advice from this forum.
But there's still the chance that Live and Pulsar 1 is not working together in XTC-mode.
Has any Pulsar 1 user's XTC up and running in live?