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<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/files/mus ... .mp3"><img src="/forums/images/listen_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" Song"> Song</a><BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Electronic<BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths<BR> copyright © 2005 Thalamus<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> First attempt with Optimaster:
http://www.kraftwerket.dk/thalamusic/mp ... master.mp3

Second attemp with UAD, ultrafunk multiband and TC MD3:
http://www.kraftwerket.dk/thalamusic/mp ... aster2.mp3

Hey man, long time no listen...

Some of you may know this song, or rather the very beginning on it from time ago. Now it's done, but I have some problems mixing and mastering it.

It sounds awesome in my headphones and on my boomblaster, though on my NS-10, it seems like the bass and punch is disapearing, and the treble too. The same is true on my larger P.A. system and on my HIFI.

Can you pros give me some advises if you can hear what can be wrong.

I should say that I like it to sound quite compressed.

USES: ST1632, Three-O-Three (old bass friend), STW EQ, compressorX, MasterComp and 4080L reverb. Minimax, Flexor 1.5 (wierd FX), SPL Transient Designer (for punching the drums), Celmo vintage delay.

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<FONT FACE=verdana SIZE=2>Yours truely

Noah Laux
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http://www.thalamusic.dk
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Thalamus on 2005-11-01 13:29 ]</font>

Just tried the "First attempt with Optimaster" MP3 song.
Well done Optimaster! Very clean sounding!


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: LHong on 2005-08-14 16:41 ]</font>

can't compare the punch and low parts as it's nighttime here, but the highs with the Optimaster are -indeed- crispier
The Optimaster mix in general is a little bit more open, and the highs seems to be placed 'higher' in the physical room.
Thanks for the test, interesting

should be a good idea, to listen to the original unmastered tune

p.s. the optimaster version is much better in loudness and clearity.

I'm leastening at it right now, and the sound is fantastic. I think the problem you hear in some specific systems is due to a frequency strugly in the low end. They anulate to each other. I can't prouve it, but this is what I can appreciate here, if I leasten at it in my speakers instead.

But the sound is truly NICE, very clear, but not cold, waaaaarrrmmmm...

The second one sounds quite different, it lucks in warm agains the first one, and definition in headroom is definetely less impressive. It is easy to think that this can be done with some more uper frequencies with an EQ, but not, I'm talking about something different, its not just the frequency, but the quality of the sound and the feeling it warm. Definitely, the first link sounds much better to me.

Hi Noah. This is a tricky one. You obviously know what you are doing and are probably (read almost definately) a better engineer/mixer/producer than I am (and you have finished a track so you are one up on me there too! ).

Version one is far punchier and more "radio friendly" but the overall sound is rather fatigueing (is that how you spell it?).

Version two is easier on the ears and the vocals sound great - far more in your face, which they need to be with this type of music.

The overall mixes lacks punch though:- need the music, bass and drums to work together more to enhance the groove. Something like the Orbitone Multiband Compressor - Impressor put over the whole of the mix and mixed in to emphasise the drums and bass? And/or sideband compression on the whole mix using some of the drum hits and bass in the sidechain?

The drums do sound a bit too fiddly in places aswell with too many "clever bits" which detract from the groove. Best to leave the track for a week or two then go back to it and listen to see if you really need these bits of ear candy.

Lastly, I think it just needs that something to hold the track together - perhaps a simple funky guitar riff running throughout the song that will enhance the main keyboard part.

That's all my opinion of course and I am, in no way an expert on these matters, just learning the trade. Hearing these well produced home mixes using the sort of equipment I have got has inspired me to get off my ass and actually finish something rather than trawling the net for the next "I must have this to make my mixes sound professional " plugin.



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