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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:28 pm
by alfonso
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This module goes between the Modular midi port and the MVC midi input.
It has a value to set the number of the voices sent to MVC for each note, obviously there must be at least the same number of voices available for the patch.
Unzip the file in your SFP folder. It adds 2 dsp files, and the module will be found in the MIDI subfolder.
Enjoy.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:53 am
by bosone
i have still not tried it...
but adding several unison voices without slighlty detuning them, is not equal to play the same note at an higher volume? (since you are adding n identical voices all in phase and in tune between themselves)
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:58 am
by Faxi Nadu
I would guess the detuning occurs within the unison module?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:00 am
by alfonso
It uses another principle that is a natural shortcoming of MIDI protocol, transformed in a positive thing.....
It simply doubles (or more) the incoming MIDI messages, and, as it's known midi messages are always in sequence, chords are never played in the same instant for all notes.
So, what really happens, is that all the voices assigned to a single note are slightly phased each other, and the thickness effect is very evident. Even if the same note, they are all played in the number of voices displayed.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:08 am
by JLS
Great and usefull module
thanks Alfonso
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:42 am
by Immanuel
I am not at all into synth making, but wouldn't you get the same result with 6 small 2-10ms second delays (or something else small) at a fraction of the DSP consumption?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:26 am
by alfonso
I think that a polyphonic generation all over the synth(osc's, filters, modulations etc.) will give a different result, not better or worst, just different, and probably more similar to the original thing. I don't know how unison is implemented in the CWA stuff, but I wouldn't swear it's a different way than this one...
In simple resource consumption, delays have their effect, on pci bandwidth too....
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:47 am
by JLS
Im happy
this module working with external device
im using with MiniMax - GREAT SOUND
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:15 pm
by wayne
On 2005-01-25 11:47, megerov wrote:
this module working with external device
im using with MiniMax - GREAT SOUND
Just tried that - this thing is monstrous!
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:10 am
by shabdavan
On 2005-01-25 11:47, megerov wrote:
Im happy
this module working with external device
im using with MiniMax - GREAT SOUND
Megerov, can you please upload that kind of patch so that I can plug my synths into it and find out what you guys are talking about?
thanks shab
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:32 am
by JLS
1. load empty modular patch and set 6 voices poly
2. drag Unison module in patch and connect midi in cable to unison midi in and midi out cable from unison midi out
3. load other device ( Minimax, Ligtwave or other synth ) and connect midi in to midi output modular patch and select poly voices 6
4. Change unison value 1.2.3....
Thats All
LOL
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:41 pm
by alfonso
I think that setting of polyphony in modular should not be necessary, midi modules just pass midi data as they come.
You only have to rise polyphony in the receiving synthesizer and 6 is just the upper limit of the module, you can naturally set less voices if you need or are limited to less.
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:42 pm
by Immanuel
I just got this crazy thought:
What about taking a very DSP ligth synth and putting it after TWO of these modules in series?
Where is the limmit?
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:06 pm
by alfonso
On 2005-01-26 16:42, Immanuel wrote:
I just got this crazy thought:
What about taking a very DSP ligth synth and putting it after TWO of these modules in series?
Where is the limmit?
Wow, in series is an exageration!!! 6x6=36!!!! at the higher setting for both.
A delirium.
But does a synth with 36 notes polyphony exist in Scope?
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:10 pm
by borg
But does a synth with 36 notes polyphony exist in Scope?
only b2003, or STS...
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:17 pm
by diminu
On 2005-01-24 19:28, alfonso wrote:
This module goes between the Modular midi port and the MVC midi input.
It has a value to set the number of the voices sent to MVC for each note, obviously there must be at least the same number of voices available for the patch.
Unzip the file in your SFP folder. It adds 2 dsp files, and the module will be found in the MIDI subfolder.
Enjoy.
Whereto have I to copy the dsp files exactly. There is always a falilure. XXX dsp not found.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:22 pm
by alfonso
On 2005-01-26 18:17, diminu wrote:
Whereto have I to copy the dsp files exactly. There is always a falilure. XXX dsp not found.
C:SFPAppDsp
If you have installed in C:
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:31 pm
by symbiote
Really awesome little device, great idea, thanks =P.
A few little suggestions/ideas: How about a stand-alone not-modular version for us lazy weeps (also would make the routing screen a bit cleaner I guess, even tho I like my routing window a bit messy)?
Also, any way to make the "delay" between the notes configurable/adjustable? The Nord's Unision has that, it's pretty crude (you can adjust between "1" and "9" I think =P), but still way nice/useful.
(And if you want to make it extra-evil, make the delay controllable with MIDI CC =P =P I'm having really dirty thoughts just thinking about it!)
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:06 pm
by Kymeia
Jeez - try this with Protone and the Synsweep patch - awesome!!! Maybe I don't need a Prophet 5 emu now
cheers
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:15 pm
by Kymeia
I'm finding if I set the Minimax to 6 and the detune to 6 I can only play monophonic but if I set it to 8 and the detuner to 4 I can get some really fat pads.
