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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2005-02-18 00:40 ]</font>

This was cross posted to Off Topic.

I dedided to reply with my updates in this section instead of in the off topic section. But you should read the 'off topics' one first and just reply here from now one( it just seems like a better place

Motherboards with the I865PEARL seem to be good which use the I865 SE chipset, as well as the ASUS p4p800E. But The USB and ASIO conflicts seem ot make it unstable, I have also been looking at the ASUS p4g800-V which uses the I865g chipst. and asus calls it a board for system byuilders.

I posted a similar question in the discussion in the "switching to D865PERL " topic.

It seems that Vegas 5.0 will work pretty flawlessly with the pulsar cards using ASIO, But I had a good 3 hour discussion with one of the tech's at pinnacle and he told me Liquid 6.0 is a far superrior video editing program. and It is the exact program with the exact effects and x-Send(for audio editing in wavelab 5.0) as there liquid edditions for broadcast which is a $12,000 setup with just more I?o options. But the program and effects are the same and It will sync with any ASIO compatible soundcard. The liquid edition pro 6.0 comes with a USB breakout box that has IIIE 1394 connector;analogue audio---composit vidio---S-video--& component video :Input and auoput.
The liquid pro w breakbout box lists for $999.00 and if one were to upgrade to one of the broadcasts versions it has MXF import format to and from such programs as AVID and others.
If I can just find the right motherboard and chipset for my CW cards so I can use USB and not have ASIO hangup problems.

Please let me know any Suggestions.

And i'll Keep all of you informed. I have no doubt this thread will be found very useful in the future for others. Hope I can help



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2005-01-05 00:05 ]</font>

I run pulsar on p4p800 (normal version) without problems. runs prefectly fine with HT off, and XP in standard mode.

Video app discussion & comparison thread:

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/read_p ... orumid=125

hey kensuguro
I've downloaded the chipset and model # page from ASUS and i can't find a P4P800 'Basic'. All the model #'s have a letter attached to them
like -E Delux Or -SE with ther intel I865PE chipset
or p4p800-GM or -V with the I865G chipset

which one is yours?
And what is 'HT' that you have turned off?

Sory, I've been out of the loup for about 2 years.


AND SPIRIT

GOOD LINK--THANKS.
Everyboby interested in video editing should read this forum. It appears to be a pinnacle forum but that thread I found very helpful and I like reading the debates people get into between Liquid eddition 6.0 and Vegas 5.0.
Not to mention the worlds of subjects about liquid editions and pinnacle.

I'm still A little unsure about which one to get and will probable have to just try the liquid 6.0 trial CD comming in the mail and just see for myself as well as load the trial of vegas. Pinnacle deos seem to be a more powerful video editor but audiowise I will need to do some testing
And of course there's still the USB issue and ASIO driver hangs with creamware. Choosing a Motherboard and mre importantly the chipset are on the top of my lists at this point. and secondly choosing which video editing software to go with. with either one LE 6.0 or VEGAS 5.0 I will still need a audio edditor.
For multitracking I have always been a TDAT-16 guy. Call me outdated But I think it kicks ass as long as you use a PIII and windows 98SE.
And I also have a pulsar1 and SRB board. Its a damn shame I can't use My TDAT board in my new P4 XP setup. I will still keep my PIII98 system with a multuitude of SCSI devices attached as well as my sampler. I think I'm up to drive letter M: if i switch them all on. But for my new setup I will go for raid SATA with duel-200G drives.

Patrick from Austin



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2004-12-29 23:34 ]</font>

Studio Pic's

I finally got a budy of mine to put some pictures of my studio on his web sight.

I'm still researching editing programs and looking into cameras for our project.
Camera-wize it looks to be a tie between the Panasonic DVX-100A and the new Canon XL-2

And has anyone started using the PCI express video card yet? The video tech guy at pinnacle says it is much better and faster for video, but I wonder how it works with Creamware cards and MOBO's chipsets.

Enjoy the pics.


My buddys server gets bogged down occasionally and the pictures might be slow loading, sorry







This is my optical patch bay that I made for patching my CW cards and A-16.



And here is the computer quiet box for recording, lined with 2" rigid fiberglass and the front is like an air duct with fans for cooling lined with 2" rigid as well.

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And here are 3 pictures of of my new studio building in different stages. its just a shell with a roof and I still have to finish thew inside

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I explain all of these pictures in a reply Below




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2005-01-09 16:34 ]</font>

Nice, but the glass dolphins and fiber optics look tacky.

but what if you have to check one single cable at the rear of it...?

I think you may need some more monitoring speakers..!

Makes my set-up seem very humble...

Royston

This reminds me of the man who built a yacht in his loungeroom...

Your studio has well outgrown its surroundings. I think you need need to transplant your gear to a dedicated studio, or remodel your room: new wallpaper, carpet, decorations etc

It looks like you could sonically demolish the room just by turning on half your monitors.

And how DO you change a cable ?

nice pics. your room is a bit small....

p.s. there are NO asio/usb conflicts that i have encountered. asio and usb are not related in that way.

Hey guys , Whats up.

This room is not only my mastering studio but my bedroom as well. It is only 220 Sq. Ft. And the first picture was taken using a tripod standing on my bed. Obviousely I've out grown it, There are actually 2 studios, Mine, and A Tracking studio less than 10 minutes away, which my studio partner ownes. He tracks the bands and artists there, and brings over tracks and I download, mix, master, burn the CD, and send it back to him. I don't even meet the people. I just mix there music. Even though I don't do alot anymore. I Work as a collision technician at Custome Car Crafters for my main income. They just shot that show car show "Overhaulin" there a few months ago. The one with lance armstrong and sherryl crow and his GTO. I actually talked with the film crew alot and we talked shop about cameras which has helped alot in advising my friend about which camera to get for the money he wants to spend for this comedic documetary he wants to do and consequentely why I came to this forum for advice on video editing software. I think tonight we decided to get the All New Canon XL2 which seems to blow away the XL1 and has a naitive 16X9" 3CCD. And I've pretty much decided on pinnacles Liquid edditions pro 6.0 I talked to the teck again today and he said You can Even x-send files over to Cubase as well as Wavelab 5.0 for editing. And with cubase synced up to liquid in the SFP platform I will even be able to automate some video functions as well. If I even need to do that. Still I like Versitility. and it all should work well with my CW cards. They have a list of Motherboard compatibility and USB chips on there websight. I didn't see the p4p800PERL, but ASUS and Intel are the main manufactures.


the Asus P4G800-V has 4 Channels of USB, Onboard lan rj 45 port, and uses the Intel 865G chipset and has 1 -8X AGP slot and 6 PCI slots.
Any Advice about that chipset Anyone?
Asus calls it 'the solution for system builders'






And I've read here that the Asus P4P800-SE is a good board.
It seems to have alot of x-tra stuff you would have to turn off though, but the I865PE chipset is supported under the liquid edditions 5.5 motherboards though.



The Asus P4P800-E Deluxe, Which also has the I865PE chipset sounds even bettter because it has an IEEE1394 eithernet interface onboard which would be good for downloading Video, But thought I read HERE that the Asus P4P Deluxe boards are not good.
ANY INPUT ON THE P4P800-E DELUXE?
AND THE P4P800-SE?

I'LL NEED THE ONBOARD USB 2.0








For my own music though I play all of the instruments and multitrack all of it in my studio. it is sonically sound. The vertically striped parts of the back wall are 2" thick rigid fiberglass pannels, and the Wood pannels behind the speakers are Dual sided high and low Bass traps. The 2" rigid fiberglass pannels line Much of the walls and are in all three windows as well. And the opposite wall you can't see are lined with solid Bass traps Alternating hi lo traps. As for the digital audio workstation. I built it myself, It has an oak finish, rollout keyboard and drum machine rack's , Computer quiet box lined with 2" rigid fiber glass On lower right. for noise free recording.

'changing cables you say' Not a problem!

Both speaker stacks -with my rivera cabinents for my guitar on the bottom- are of course on wheels. as is the entire DAW. It rolls right out for easy access. The speakers pivot and roll easily. even my guitar amp. The Rack to the left of my LF- speaker stack. is mounted on a very sturdy Steel ballbearing 'lazy susan' carousel. Meaning it spins around for easy access. I also built a patchbay right into the side of the guitar rack. so I don't even have to move it at all. I have 2 front connections on my MOTU MIDI express patchbay. And I even built a fiber-Optic patchbay. which is mounted under my main patchbays to the top left rack of the DAW- Right above my soundcraft playback mixing board. It has 16 Optical I/O's, even though I only use 12 of them-so far-. I was going to start selling them on the web as well as custom made Racks and DAW's but just haven't got aroung to that yet if I ever do. I also put cable strips on all of the back surfaces and vel-crow'd all of my wiring nice and neetely, so nothing is just hanging there and rolling around my DAW and speaker stacks don't roll over wires.

Yes 'I'm Fully Functional', As Data would say.

And As far as space goes, I started building my new soundproof studio/House 3 years ago. i'm halfway done. It has a750 Sq. slab and is 2 stories. I designed and built it all myself. Wish I could shop you pictures of that but don't want to push it with my internet friend. It isa made out of solid Splitface Cynderblocks(meaning the faced of them look like rock). I laid a 4" wide 1/4" thick steel plate at 10 foot and put 8" 10# Steel I-Beam's on 16" centers and welded them to the Steel plate and welded 5/8" rebar -going down every hole in the cynderblocks- to the 4" steel plant and the filled everyhole with concrete. Yeah its a fortress. I could put a pool upstairs if i wanted to and might just put a jucuzi up there one day. in the The main Studio room I even put dual 2" PVC pipes in the concrete running from the Back wall which will be behind my DAW cumming up about 6-8 ft. (can't ramember) out so I can have microphones comming right out of the ground with no cables to trip over to mic my half stacks for my guitar amp. I'm doing most of the building In solid wood : floors ,walls, Even the ceilings. i'm going to have alot of Rigidfiberglass pannels and bass traps and large Black carpet through rugs. I'm also a tile setter. And I'm going to do the kitcken and bathroon in solid tile and granet. All of the upstaits windows are m,ade out of 8" See-through glasss block And I think the The standup Shower I'm going to put waivy glass block. horizontally in the wall and mount long blue flourescent tubes behind them. My new Studio will kick ass when it is finally done. But for now it is an Empty shell. With a Roof. I ran out of cash over a year ago and haven't been able to build on it since. Hopefully i'll get started again in the next 6 months.



Oh yeah, and "counterpart" You can never have enough montering speakers. I listen to my mixes in the car and on many different headphones as well as jam boxes as I can. I find that Getting the bass level just right is one of the most crutial parts of mastering.
And "Braincell", As far as the Glass dolphins and fiber-optics go, You can't tell from the pictures how cool they look under the right light with the studio all turned on and on some REAL KILLER SHROOMS. he he he!


I'll keep ya'll informed of my new system building progress and of course all advice is welcome. And "Garyb" I only read about the ASIO USB conflict in another part of this forum. Somewhere.

Later, Patrick from Austin











<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2005-01-08 03:00 ]</font>

you killed us...
but I still hope you don't have to face a cable problem once, even if you can roll away even your mother

Hey 'hubird' I've traced many many cable problems throughout the years. its not so bad. after a while almost all cables have to be checked or reseated in the patchbays. The hardest thing about it now is since I lined all the back surfaces with miniture angle-iron like strips with slits in them for tying the cables up with velcro. If I have to change a cable I have to un-velcro all of the strips which hold that preticular cable. But It doesn't happen often.



AND ANYONE DEFINATELY LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE

ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE
ASUS P4P800-SE

These motherboards use the I865PE controllwer chips and the deluxe has onboard IEEE1394 eithernet for downloading video. which might just be the perfect board for me

AND I WILL DEFINATELY NEED USB 2.0


Thanks, Patrick from Austin

get the model with the least number of onboard features that meets your needs. i always recommend the d865perl. i have never had a problem with asio. i usually have prople turn off usb2 because it uses additional resources and it is unnessessary for most daws. many users have had good results with the asus, so it will work as well.

gey "garyb", "Spirit", or any others, do you think it would be better to get a board without USB or turn it off and use an expansion card for the intel D865PERL or the ASUS P4p800 with I865PE chipsets? Instead of using the onboard USB?

And as far as ram goes in video/Audio editing systems. Do you think 2Gigs(dual channel) is suffficient or should I just go adhead and plan for 4 Gigs. Maybe guy 2x1gig dual ram chips and upgrade later if needed. and is Muschkin ram a good choice or should I stick to Corsair/kingston/samsung?

Not to mention harddrives do you think using 200gig SATA drives as opposed to 300 or 400 gig would be better for videoauding-- aranging/editing?

I have always used Seagate SCSI drives But a friend of mine is suggesting western digital SATA now because of 5 year warranties and supposed good stability. Would these be better that seagate or Hitachi?

P.S. My creamware cards I will be able to use are a Pulsar1 and a pulsar1 SRB. I'm thinking since they are both first generation I won't have the problems with the ULLI like stated in the other recent post.

there is no problem with ulli! the first generation cards just don't perform quite as well. they are more prone to pci overflow and they don't allow latencies under 13ms @ 44.1khz. ulli is a 100% good thing!

use the onboard usb! i ALWAYS do with NO problems!

mushkin ram is fine. one user had problems just getting the "best" ram and had to change a couple of bios settings(the ram was a little too fast for the 865 chipset, it works great after the tweak). lately i have been using this with NO problems: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... e=80097-16
2gb should be plenty for almost anything....

i don't think you should get drives any bigger than 160-180gb. heat and reliability may suffer with huge drives and a 160gb will hold some 150 songs... i would definitely use wd drives. i usually use ide drives as they work plenty well for audio(if you use 7200rpm and 8mb buffer drives), but go ahead and use the sata drives if you like, you can mix sata and ide as well if you want to....

*edit* since you are considering video and may need more storage, take my hd comments with a grain of salt. go with wd though....

once again, the main problem with using usb2.0 is strictly that it uses resources(like another irq) that are not nessessary for a scope daw. you are free to use it if you need it. usb 1.1 is never a problem. if you don't need the sata drive and can just use ide(and disable sata in the bios), the you will save an irq. there is no problem with using usb2.0 or sata if you need them, however. just be prepared to have to juggle card slots to avoid your scope card having to share irqs. if you are stuck sharing irqs, depending on what is being shared, you may even be able to live with a shared irq for your cwa cards. my main computer with an intel d850mv2 has scope cards sharing irqs with the BAM SMbus, and never has any problems. for the same reason(to save irqs) disable in bios anything you can do without(serial, parallel, on board sound etc.).



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2005-01-14 05:07 ]</font>

Hey 'Garyb' Thanks for the input. I've found your replies to be very helpful . I've always had to concider IRQ's when building a systyem. I am usually run out of them, as I am with my P3 system. I think any old-school TDAT users who started back in 97' like I did, had to deal with those isues as well as many others. I got to know 'Anton' -the tech support guy in canada'- pretty well , helping me in those first years. A few years ago he even came to austin for some siminar and he called me and me, him, and my girlfriend hung out one night and partied and got a little psili( blue one's to be sure, those guys from canada are down with that, it was a good night). I also told him about the hot spots on 6th street and he had a good time. I will need USB 2.0 for my external DVD writer, HP all-in -one printer, Highspeed wireless internet connection, and the new Liquid editions pro 6.0 breakout box as well as maybe a new MIDI patch-bay, cubase dongles, And who knows what else. Not that a onboard IEEE1394 connection wouldn't be useful as well. mainly for my Aidio / video system. Otherwise I could just stay with my PIII system. It works great and I have no complaints mostly. But for new video editing and audio I must upgrade to a P4 windows XP setup. Its a damb shame my TDAT-16 card won't work on it. I'll sure be glad when the CW guys finally pull there heads out of there ass and realize TDAT is a hell of a program and they need to upgrade to a unlimited virural tracked version that works on a P4 on XP just as good as the old TDAT did. not to mention the 80 bit processing it utalized. 'Ali', at the canadian officre always tell me thast "TDAT is dead" , but while I like him I have to say "FUCK THAT', I didn't pay over $3,000 US for a killer program osaris, and firewqalker pluigins, and PCI card + 16-I/O(A-16) optical breakout AD/DA box just to have them not support it any more because they got into a squable with sonaris *(who manufactured the TDAT-16 for them) to just throw it away. Thats BULL SHIT!. I did my last albulm on it, not to mention the countless projects done on tdat format with tdat files in the past and it still rules!!!!!!. Sory to go off on a rant, but I just hate it that CW hasn't updated the software to run on pulsar in an XP Enviroment,(like there TDAT LE is is worth a wodden nickel) As I'm sure many of you are. I used to talk to Mark Penski( the mixer for 'Steve Vie' Who used to be a beta tester for creamware. he was disapointed too..

Anyway, Thanks for the input


Later Dude, Patrick from Austin.



P.S. And as far as audio edditing goes ' Paul and Ali' At the canadian office told me that the reason creamware used 80 bit processing inthere origional program was to preserve the highest audio quality since it was still at 16 bit 44.1Khz. and now there floating 32 bit processing is good enough because NOW most people record at 24 bit 48/96 Khz. but most of the video cameras today still record at 16bit 48Khz so why not still utalize the 80 bit processing in the New TDAT that they have been supposedly working on for years.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: patricka6 on 2005-01-15 03:19 ]</font>