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which is the best keyboard that has good synth + arranger?
thanks

I'd put my money on a Korg Triton or Trinity. Covers all the bases reasonably well. It's basically a ROMpler with very good samples, fx, MIDI routing capabilities, and onboard sequencer. Yamaha and Roland have similar products, I personally find Yamaha's sound tinny and harsh, no bottom end, and Roland's a bit muddy. Korg has a smoother and more musical tone (but don't expect the filters or Leslie speaker simulation to sound as good as Creamware's).

I second the triton. (probably many will follow) You can also check out the Karma series or Triton LE depending on your budget. Triton sounds are kinda standard, which is good but also boring if you're looking for experimental/cutting edge sounds. Check out the expansion boards as well.

Only problem with the series is the quantize. It's once and permanent, and you can't change the groove later like yamaha's. Or well, maybe the new Triton Extreme has it, who knows.

how about Yamaha Motif ES7? that has 1500 groove loops to work with like qy700.

motif is a good one too. Depends if you like its sound or not. There's something essentially too Yamaha about motif's sound. I think all Yamaha's have that "yamaha" sound. If that doesn't bug you, then Motif is the best they've got.

kensuguro do you know other keyboard which has groove loops. it helps to producing low budget songs.

Try a yamaha PSR keyboard, in the 200-300 range (i.e. PSR-225). Very low cost. They are definitely a way to create low-budget, generic-quality backing tracks, with a variety of styles to build your songs from.

My vote goes to the newest Roland flagship "Fantom 8". For starters it has 16 velocity sens. drum pads. Recyclish sample slicing is another feature which uses the drum pads beautifully. I haven't been much of a fan of Roland's workstations in recent years but this one made me change my tune. Those sexy drum pads are a must if your into electronica types of music.

On 2004-11-30 14:19, Liquid Len wrote:
Try a yamaha PSR keyboard, in the 200-300 range (i.e. PSR-225). Very low cost. They are definitely a way to create low-budget, generic-quality backing tracks, with a variety of styles to build your songs from.

i tried once but those speakers on the top :lol .... its so funny :lol
and sound is poor
Wondering company like yamaha korg roland don’t have good quality arranger that has also good sample, goove loops. I have a qy700 but the sound is horror

Use the MIDI out to control the CW synths.

On 2004-12-01 10:41, firubbi wrote:

On 2004-11-30 14:19, Liquid Len wrote:
Try a yamaha PSR keyboard, in the 200-300 range (i.e. PSR-225). Very low cost. They are definitely a way to create low-budget, generic-quality backing tracks, with a variety of styles to build your songs from.

i tried once but those speakers on the top :lol .... its so funny :lol
and sound is poor
Wondering company like yamaha korg roland don’t have good quality arranger that has also good sample, goove loops. I have a qy700 but the sound is horror

You'll get no arguments from me there - the sound of those low end PSRs is rather a joke (though ten years ago it would have been considered quite good). Depends on where your priorities lie. If you want better quality instruments and low quality arrangements, maybe use a PC with band-in-a-box to control one of the higher end Yamaha, Roland, or Korg workstations. I don't know any program that makes high quality arrangements - that requires human input somewhere along the line. Maybe use band-in-a-box to create a midi arrangement, and heavily modify it?

groove loops.. do you mean presequenced drum patterns? If you're looking for those you might want to check out some of the groove boxes. They've got the whole breakbeat/trance/dnb thing going on.

QY700 is filled with groove patterns, I don't understand.

yes BingoTheClowno, u r right. nothing is like cw. and qy700 has some good loops but they're too old for 2004.

so there is no kbd around that has class sound with a arranger. all great kbd comes with sampler.
thanks to all

hey does anyone check v-synth? (roland)

http://www.roland.com/products/en/

does cw has this kind'a synth in synth pack? i know only those what pulsar2 has. also does pulsar2 has any synth loop?
thanks