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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:03 am
by WayneSim
Ok here is a weird problem I have been getting. I set up a routing window in SFP.
I have 16 channels of ASIO dest coming out of the mixer. I save the setup in SFP.
Whenever I load the file only the left side of all channels are connected. I have to then manually reconnect all the right side of every channel on the ASIO dest. It's really annoying.
-1L - Connects to ASIO DEST
-1R (does not connect)
-2L - Connects to ASIO DEST
-2R (does not connect)
-3L - Connects to ASIO DEST
-3R (does not connect)
ETC.... (That's how it loads, even though everything is connected when i save the setup.)
Understand what i mean?
Anyone got any ideas?
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:57 am
by arela
Works fine in STM 1632
Is your prosject saved with stereo buttons "on"?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:31 am
by Tony B
I have that same problem. I have two cards in one PC. Only one card is doing that. The other one does not.
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:51 am
by dbmac
Check the mixer in the Live Bar - extend the view with the arrow - does it show the asio connections L & R. I've noticed that the display on the routing window sometimes doesn't show all connections (esp the STM 1632) even though the connections are there.
/dave
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:11 am
by krizrox
My problem is similar but different. I can't see the right channels in Sonar 3. When I go to configure I/O's for each track, I am only presented with a list of left channel numbers. Why would that be?
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:51 am
by Counterparts
dbmac wrote:
Check the mixer in the Live Bar - extend the view with the arrow - does it show the asio connections L & R. I've noticed that the display on the routing window sometimes doesn't show all connections (esp the STM 1632) even though the connections are there.
/dave
I always get that with the MasterVerb. On loading a project, it appears to be disconnected from the mixer. The live Bar shows that it is still connected though and when I click on it and move it about, it's audio connections magically appear!
Royston
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:46 am
by krizrox
In addition to the left/odd channel problem noted earlier, I've also noticed I get the dreaded "DSP resources" error message when loading certain ASIO modules. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense since there are only the source/dest modules along with a small mixer in the project. Very strange stuff this ASIO. Nothing seems to work as expected.
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:42 pm
by garyb
krizrox,i think that there is a problem w/ your installation.i have no such problems with logic(i know that sonar could be different,but i really think it should work right),and the strange problems like that that i have had have involved things like duplicate registry entries and corrupted files.the registry problems have usually been fix by a prog named "easycleaner"(beware.some registry cleaners like regclean,delete asio entries,althought that is solved by reinstalling over the old install),and by doing what was in the last aside,reinstalling(which is really just running the update).
there COULD be a settings issue,but that makes no sense.well,worth checking because sense is not always what i think it to be.....
just thought i'd pipe up with my tired old line because there hasn't been much said about your probs.
edit:one thought,are these problems involving old versions of asio modules from old projects?if you load new modules do they save properly?abre's post about using different card's modules(asio from card 1 and another asio from card 2 simultaneously,i didn't think that was possible....)was interesting...
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:45 pm
by krizrox
This is all brand new/fresh stuff - what I mean is:
brand new install of Win XP, brand new install of SFP 3.1C, brand new install of Sonar 3, etc etc. The only other thing I can mention is that I followed some advice here about XP tweaks. It seemed like sound advice so I applied the XP optimization tweaks. Everything seems to be running perfectly except for this weird ASIO thingy which, I might add, others are experiencing as well. So I know it's not just me. Someone on the Cakewalk forum said they have the same problem.
I'm reluctant to start from scratch again but if you or anyone thinks that might cure the problem, I'll try it. I have my OS Ghosted (multiple levels of Ghosting) so I can start all over with minimal pain if need be. Seems strange that a re-install would cure the problem but might be worth a try. You've already answered one question in my mind: this isn't normal!
Thanks for responding garyb - you rock man.
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:40 pm
by valis
It sounds like a configuration error to me, I doubt reinstalling is the correct answer tho it may magically 'fix' it. I don't use Sonar so I can't be much help but I would suggest trying to understand where the configuration problem is...
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:23 am
by krizrox
What kind of configuration error? Any idea what could cause an ASIO driver problem like that? I'm not sure where to even begin looking.
Aside from buying Cubase or some other program that supports ASIO, is there a test I can do to determine if the ASIO drivers are functioning properly?
It would be nice to know if anyone else with Sonar 3 is seeing the same problem. That might convince me it's something to do with Sonar and not SFP. I think I'm going to try re-installing things. Shouldn't take long. Might produce some results. If not, this is not a show-stopper really. I can still get work done with only left/odd channels. It's just frustrating

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:49 am
by krizrox
For what it's worth - people from the Cakewalk user forum are suggesting that this is normal behavior for Sonar 3. So I guess it's not really a problem after all (although I'm not sure I'm 100% convinced of that yet). Anyway, I'll let it go for now. Not a show stopper - just weird. If anyone sees something different on their end, I'd appreciate a response. Thanks!
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:56 pm
by garyb
if you try the shotgun method(reinstall),i would try just installing sonar OVER the old install first,then sfp.if that didn't help,then i'd move to uninstall(run easycleaner) both and reinstall sonar then sfp.i really reccommend clearing any extra entries that this may cause in the registry.i like easycleaner as a program.it is free and it is very conservative in it's action(doesn't remove asio entries or other data i need)and it's free.clearing bogus registry entries has made my computer work properly after it started getting screwy several times(i DON'T think anything like that is your problrem,though.
i feel like a newbie giving advice to a vet
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:10 pm
by krizrox
A vet?
Thanks for the advice garyb. I'll give that regcleaner a try and let you know if it works on my "problem". Will also try a reinstall of SFP first before resorting to anything more extreme.
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:45 pm
by Joxer the Mighty
krizrox,
Sent you a PM regarding the Sonar problem.
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:44 pm
by krizrox
All righty then. I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I thought I'd provide a bit more input on this matter.
Talked to CW tech support and also Cakewalk tech support about this. Cakewalk TS believes this is normal. CW TS believes it is not.
I tried cleaning the registry and reloading SFP - still the same results so I know it's not related to my installation or setup. I have a feeling this is a Sonar 3 quirk. Whether or not Twelve Tone Systems will ever confirm this or do anything about it remains to be seen.
I posted some Sonar 3 screen shots here:
http://www.lnlrecording.com/sonar_3_pro ... dition.htm
I am showing the ASIO driver options that are available to me through Sonar 3. For those who are interested enough to look at this, maybe you can take a peek and tell me if I'm losing my mind
I really don't think it's worth agonizing over since I can record and playback multi-channel audio using the available driver references in Sonar. It's just strange that RIGHT channel references are nowhere to be found. I can't believe it's normal. Thanks again ya'll!
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:21 am
by valis
Well, what I'm curious about is the number of configured ins & outs in your SFP environment. If you define 4 stereo channels (8 connections) for the ASIO Source in SFP (outs from Sonar) and wind up with only 4 "Left" outputs from Sonar then something is up. However if the 4 stereo channels show up as 8 "Left" outputs then its just a naming error in sonar.
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:21 am
by krizrox
I think it's just a naming error in Sonar. Unfortunately, Twelve Tone Systems tech support doesn't seem to agree but I'm not sure the guy I spoke with is an expert or not. Anyway, it's obvious from my examples that something ain't right. I can work around it. Not a show stopper. Just confusing to an ASIO newbie like me

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:00 am
by valis
Sonar is new to ASIO, and cards do differ in their implementation. Can you take a screenshot of your SFP environment?
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:12 am
by krizrox
yeah I could, but it was simply this:
I loaded the ASIO2 16bit-64 channel driver and nothing else. No mixers. No synths. No effects. Nada. All I wanted to show was how Sonar interprets the driver I/O's.
I think I had the drivers (input and output) configured for 32 channels (16 pairs) in my example.
The results are pretty much the same no matter which ASIO drivers are loaded. I tried 'em all. The only difference was with one of the 24 bit ASIO drivers - instead of left only channels, I can only see odd numbered channels.
After all is said and done, this really doesn't hinder my work. If I want to master 32 channels of audio from Sonar into SFP, I can load the 64 channel ASIO driver and use the 32 left channels. I would prefer to configure ASIO for 16 channels (32 pairs, right?) but it's not a show stopper.
I realize that ASIO is new to Sonar 3 & Cakewalk. They may not have this fully mastered yet. It's just a suspicion that this is a programming glitch on their end. Hopefully, it'll be rectified in a future version. They have access to Creamware hardware and software. Hopefully, they'll get around to testing Sonar 3 with their CW stuff.
Which leads me to another question: WDM drivers. Supposedly CW supports that right? Wasn't that pretty much the standard for Sonar up until version 3? What are WDM drivers? Where do I find them? I didn't see any reference to WDM in the list of available drivers (or is that simply the wave drivers). How many channels of WDM can I load at one time?