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Hi all, i´m new to this forum (who looks great). First of all my apologies if this question has been answered before, but i coudn´t find anything related to this issue. I´m working with Luna 2, sx 1 and gigastudio. Everything works well when i route the gsif outs directly to the luna mixer. But if i want to apply dx plugins in realtime to the giga outs i have to route the gsif outs to the asio ins. The trouble starts here, because when i do this, all the audio starts to pop and click (in the same proyect where everything works fine if i´m routing the gsif directly to the mixer).
Anybody knows where is the problem? how can i solve this?
Thanks a lot in advance.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Minipimer on 2003-10-24 14:05 ]</font>

You might try raising the latency of SFP (ULLI)a notch (or two) to remedy this. I have the same situation with Giga & Logic 5.51 that only occurs when recording Giga into Logic, I have to raise the latency (13ms from memory) when I want to record from Giga into Logic.....even though when only playing Giga instuments is fine at 6ms. It seems that trying to record at 6ms causes spurious pops & clicks....this does not occur at higher latency levels (13ms).

Hope this helps.

Regards...Dave

Hi Dave, tnx for your hint. BTW i guess that the problem isn´t about latency because the clicks are still sounding when i set this to the hightest level. :/ Any other sugestions?
Regards,
Fernando.

Fernando, can you record the Asio channels click free with out fx applied ?
The source of your problem may be located in the communication with the recording driver that writes to disk or in the DX plugin.

If you mean that this occurs even without recording then it's probably related to the monitoring of the plugin's output.
If you monitor through Logic software then this effect is almost certain - there's a switch to turn this off.
Try to route the processed signal back to SFP and monitor there, but of course this changes timing due to the signal travel.
I'm not using Logic that much, so just take this as a general hint in the direction.
Btw what DX realtime fx are superior to SFP ? no offence intended, just curious.

good luck, Tom

I've had this kind of behaviour every once in a while. And everytime it doesn't matter what ULLI setting I have.

The ONLY remedy I've come up with is that the SFP Project has gone corrupt, and if I make an exact copy (from scratch) of the project I've used, everything starts to record fine without clicks!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: oxygenial on 2003-10-27 11:23 ]</font>

Actually....Fernando, if you haven't resolved your problem, post the setup here and I'll see if I can replicate it in my studio. (name of plugs used, ver# of GStudio, ver# of Logic, whether or not you're using Software Monitoring in Logic, Giga sample set, SFP ver# etc etc)
Also a rundown of your hardware might shed some light as well....

Regards...Dave

Hey tnx to all for your help. Tom, i guess you are right; probably there is some kind of problem with the dx plugins monitorization. If i bypass all the effects the number of clicks go down drastically in playback and recording (altough there are still some clicks, but considering the size of the cubase proyect i guess that now i´m inside of the normality (I´m monitorizing 24 outs of gsif through 12 stereo audio tracks in cubase sx with a P4 2ghz and 1gb of ram...)). Btw as you suggest, i should try to process the audio in cubase and monitorize in the Sfp mixer. The problem is that i dont know how I have connected the Asio source outs to the STM1632 inputs, (and gsif outs to Asio Dest ins) and in this way, if i dont activate the monitorization button of the cubase audio tracks i cant hear anything..mmm do you know how i can process all the audio signals in cubase without monitorizing here and after that reroute and monitorize all the stuff into the sfp mixer?

Hey Dave, tnx a lot. Here is the complet list:
Im running cubase sx 1 , gigastudio 2.5 and SFP 3.1c in:
P4 2.0Ghz
1Gb of ram
Msi motherboard 845 Ultra-C with Intel 845 chipset.
Seagate HD 7200rpm for OS( W2k), aplications and audio recording.
Western Digital 7200rpm with 8mb of cache for samples playback.
Im using only 4 instances of waves Rverb loaded as send_effects. I have asigned different amounts of rverb to each of the 12 audio tracks.
Asio source and Dest of SFP are Asio2 at 16bits. Recording and playback in 16/44.1. In Gigastudio i have the ram indicator at 57%. Also, the music contains very fast passages (i reach easly 160 voices of polyphony).
Tom about dx effects...i love the waves Rverb...i think its a lot better than master verb. There are a lot of incredible reverbs out there for the creamware systems but they are all very DSP hungry and at this moment i have only 3 dsps:/ Maybe i will go for the master verb pro soon...but i want to see first what the upcoming vst gigapulse is capable of : )
Thanks a lot to all ! : )
Regards, Fernando.

Hi Fernando,
I think the short answer is that you've just got too much going on there to expect no pops or clicks IMHO.
Personally I avoid reverb altogether when tracking, but if you must use it may I suggest trying to keep the number of reverb plugs to a minimum...preferably just one general reverb patch.
You also might try doing all your monitoring, whilst tracking, through SFP only. Then use Cubase for your mixing duties, and begin adding more final mix effects as needed.
If you haven't quite got your head around setting up a SFP project to do this, I can send you one based on what I do probably %90 of my tracking & mixing with.
Giga is quite a resource hungry program that ideally works best when running by itself on it's own PC......so if you are going to run it along side Cubase on the one PC I don't think you should expect to run big trackcounts on Cubase/with multiple verb plugs/and rapid 160 note Gigia sample sets....and expect it all to work. You might just have to rethink your working method a bit more.
Sorry if I'm sounding like a big wet blanket here....but I don't think you're system is up for the load you're trying to throw at it.

Regards...Dave

Hi Dave...yes..maybe that´s all.... too much things for one single pc .. Anyway, I still found something strange that if i disconnect all the reverb instances from cubase there are still a few clicks when monitoring gsif through asio, because this is something that not happens when i just connect the gsif outs to the stm1632 mixer. So obviousy there is a decrease of the stability when the asio driver is involved with the sfp proyect in this way,...and i dont know if this is very normal...what do you think?
Regards,
Fernando.

On 2003-10-24 13:58, Minipimer wrote:
Hi all, i´m new to this forum (who looks great). First of all my apologies if this question has been answered before, but i coudn´t find anything related to this issue. I´m working with Luna 2, sx 1 and gigastudio. Everything works well when i route the gsif outs directly to the luna mixer. But if i want to apply dx plugins in realtime to the giga outs i have to route the gsif outs to the asio ins. The trouble starts here, because when i do this, all the audio starts to pop and click (in the same proyect where everything works fine if i´m routing the gsif directly to the mixer).
Anybody knows where is the problem? how can i solve this?
Thanks a lot in advance.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Minipimer on 2003-10-24 14:05 ]</font>

Hi Minipimer,
It seems be tough that what you have tried, I'm not sure this comment is correct but the combine Cubase DirectX host with GigaStudio has huge of latency, likely more than 100ms...