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I just love to Interrupt this never ever ever ever ending thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ulbK3tUMNg

yes, that's the problem with people. they actually have no imagination. they cannot imagine anything other than what they have already experienced, there are many other possibilities, but those are invisible. the world continues to love and wallow in the mess. people are cool though, even though they're kinda messed up.

why does everyone want to be Dracula these days?

Once I was Dracula, well at least in my imagination, but it was a cool experience.

well, you are from Bavaria...

actually, in L.A. everyone is a Buffy-Style, Angel or Spike. N.Y. is full of Draculas.

i guess the Syrians are trying to help make Nestor's worst fears the current reality...

Hey Flux is that the White Man Group or the Blue Men Group w/o the make up...?

I think some folks here should consider that the certain discipline of philosophy called endless mediocrity is at play in the world.
Everyone wants a perfect sort of utopia that doesn't exist and they cannot accept that.
Once you realize as I have after decades of practicing and perfoming on keyboards, is you never really master them.
I thought i was hot shit then a blind Savant kicked my ass on my own rig....

Nestor wrote:... and there is an enormous collapse coming up soon, way more important than expected by market calculations, but watch out, it will be hidden until it explodes in our hands to “their” convenience. Violence is slowly spreading from the centre of the conflicts in the Middle East, to the neighboring countries. The picture is as clear as it is factual, as factual as it is true; it is in the eyes of the beholder.

Soon the world will collapse? and you found that on the internet?
And accidently exactly you are the chosen man who is so gentle to warn us?
Eh, to 'their' concenience? The Evil Elite you mean?

So Nestor, the picture is clear, factual and true?
Wow, you should go work for governments, they pay well for knowledge from the future.
Could you tell me if the earth retrieves 2013?
I could cancel my life insurence then.

dawman wrote:The problem with the Middle East is there are too many Gods from the same city.
We have the very same problem in Washington DC.

cool

hubird wrote:

Nestor wrote:... and there is an enormous collapse coming up soon, way more important than expected by market calculations, but watch out, it will be hidden until it explodes in our hands to “their” convenience. Violence is slowly spreading from the centre of the conflicts in the Middle East, to the neighboring countries. The picture is as clear as it is factual, as factual as it is true; it is in the eyes of the beholder.

Soon the world will collapse? and you found that on the internet?
And accidently exactly you are the chosen man who is so gentle to warn us?
Eh, to 'their' concenience? The Evil Elite you mean?

So Nestor, the picture is clear, factual and true?
Wow, you should go work for governments, they pay well for knowledge from the future.
Could you tell me if the earth retrieves 2013?
I could cancel my life insurence then.

well, it's actually the governments pushing this idea, since it's part of Agenda 21, something that EVERYONE can study the actual documents involved. this is corroberated by articles that were written like this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/ ... enews.news

the British Ministry of Defense thinks that Neutron weapons will be needed to quell the unrest. the actual report is attached.

i'm not saying that these things WILL happen. i'm just saying that to predict them is not all that wild when it is stated policy that riots death and decay because of forced migration into "compacted cities"(actual UN language), and the stress of lack of food and water that this creates is the stated, official plan.

(honest) Thanks for the link to the GTS4 pdf Gary. Indeed a interesting lecture.
(honest mode off) I am satisfied that they share it with us. I think they take care of us by sharing this, or?

well, you're transposing those official and public documents to your own world view. That's what conspiracy lovers always do, with all respect.
It always is a 'plan' already, and the 100% cynical interpretation of the words is not explained but stated as a fact.
Never thought of the fact that it's a public document?
Or can cynicism be so big that you just dismiss that point?
You guys do this because your statements of Agenda XX are just interpretations.
Of possible (doom) scenarios for instance, like when those documents comes in hand of...the NWO?
Spoken about interpretation...

I'm convinced it's good to look at those official documents critically, especially check for worst case scenarios.
That's something different than saying there's an official plan to put people all together in city camps and destroy a few billion, for total domination.

I'm afraid your hate against the idea of any central (chosen) authority blurs your mind, regarding this subject it is, imho.
It could be the impact of a defaulting political system of the cramped 2 party system of the US is hostaging you, no pun intended regarding the system typified.
Yet it would make me choose for a better and stronger government/political system instead of falling in apathy.

you never even read the documents did you?


i never said that this or that WILL happen. i only said they are planning as if it will.


before ww2, there were plenty of Jews and homosexuals who were placed well enough in society in various countries, including hubird's, that they NEVER thought that they would be removed from their homes and shipped off to death(work) camps. there were plenty of Gypsies and disabled who were surprised at what could happen, too.

the FACT is, there are documents from the UN the "Rio Accords" and the "Agenda for the 21st Century" which state that a mass purge of humanity must happen for the purposes of "sustainability". this sounds good until it becomes clear that some 6 billion or more are expected to be sacrificed for "the greater good".

man! SciFi is so fun!

Still interpretation thus.

look who's talking.

and i know you still never read the source material, so you don't know how much is my spin.

the British Ministry of Defense says quite clearly, that there WILL be(meaning over 95% chance of probability) "flash mob riots" in the compacted cities that WILL require the use of tactical neutron weapons. if this isn't a complete disintegration of the world as we know it, i don't know what is. again, i am NOT saying this is what will happen, i'm not looking forward to it in any way, but YOU said that this kind of thing is absolute imagination and poppycock made from a fevered mind like Nestor's when clearly, that is not the case. there are fevered minds in the world's governments that ARE looking forward to this. it CANNOT be denied, except by lying, because the people making these plans have public DOCUMENTS stating intentions.

were the Jews and others that the Netherlands sent to deathcamps not participating, good, tax paying citizens, whose government loved them, at least in part and at least before the horror happened? do you think that the people whose cities were destroyed in Europe(places like Dresden) during ww2 actually thought that would ever happen prior to the war?

hubird, i'm going to call you foolish, though i doubt you're as foolish as you are acting, because you trust those who you don't even know IMPLICITLY, refusing to even LOOK at evidence that they don't care one fig about you. even if they DO completely love you, your refusal to even consider that they might not makes you a bigger spinmeister than Nestor could ever be.

meme allergy alert! meme allergy alert! that's the opposite of an e-alert. where an e-alert is the mad belief in anything outrageous on the net, a meme allery is the violent refusal to see anything that disagrees with one's own beliefs.

Garyb, I dunno man. You choose web articles that illustrate your point. So lets look at them...

The Mininstry of Defence in the UK is going to make it a point to paint a bleak future in order that they get funding. Chris Parry, author of the 2007 guesswork into the future, has no more gravitas as a seer into the future than anyone else on this forum.

I don't have the time to trawl thru a 169-page MoD report - as well-produced and pretty as it is. But one thing I did notice is that the document production team felt it necessary to highlight in _italics_ those verbs that should not be misinterpreted - _likely_ and _unlikely_, _may_ and _will_... so, careful study of the narrative of document is vital in order to determine a holistic understanding of its content...

It'd be cool if you could get me a link to that UN article that speaks of the 500 million global population figure you have bandied about on this thread.

I realise that these documents exist, from the MoD in the UK, to the UN's accords and stated intentions, to the positioning of idealistic and religious groups. But are these not similar to political manifesto prior to election day, similar to scientific submissions by quacks and charlatans and sensationalists, similar to economists' projections that the banking sector is solid and won't crash, all of which we give weight to, all of which are never fulfilled? Point being, the message is often secondary to an ulterior motive - be that to get elected (Read My Lips - No New Taxes!), to be celebrated (Look - Cold Fusion guys!), to look after your friends (the market is solid - it's different this time), to get funding (flashmobs will require a new kind of weapon), to justify inaction (we need to reduce population to 500 million, so let the starving and sick die off before they get a chance to breed while we line our pockets and position our power while we still can), to sell newspapers and fill news column inches (open any newspaper any day of the week for examples!), to the distasteful misanthropic hysteria and prejudice in its myriad forms...

You speak of e-alerts - do you put e-alerts of web articles and pdfs into your browser Favourites, under the heading "Conspiratorial Ammunition", and keep them for five+ years?
Only kidding...

What I don't quite get is that you have said that it's governments that want us to believe in this, but yet you take down the same road!

And I'll desist from fighting Hubird's battles around your labelling of his 'foolishness'...

For me, yes, if there is a framework that most closely resonates with me, it too would be Buddhism. Probably because it focusses on the self to extrapolate good and useful behaviour in society. But, that's just one philosophy that has been subsumed as a organised religion. Most other philosophies don't end up in the "organised religion" category - other philosophies, not coming under the heading of "organised religion", stimulate me further.

My father used say (quoting Hamlet) - To thy own self be true.
I didn't actually understand what that meant, until relatively recently...

I trust in the better nature of humanity. I feel however that it is when people aren't honest with themselves, aren't willing or capable of objectifying their thoughts and regulating their behaviour, or don't even realise that it is possible in moments of silence to take a break from the self-reinforcing story they spout to others and to themselves, that important things, like morality and altruism, start to fall apart. And once someone 'gets away' with acting immorally or selfishly, the story they retrospectively tell themselves of the experience is reinforced.

Another thing I really don't get about forums on the net is how -quickly- people are either misunderstood, or have their words or positions twisted, and are downright rude and insulting. Things get inflamed far too quickly! Within two or three posts, the mood can turn sour. Hope this forum doesn't prove to be OK with that kind of thing...

Bobby who? Bobby McFerrin!
<whistling />

have you heard of a right to a "jury of peers"?
when one becomes a Lord in the UK, it is said that he receives "the peerage".

politics are for peasants. it's easier to let them manage their own business, as long as it is within the system that has been defined for them.

UN documents are easy to get. finding an exact figure takes more work, unless you want to look at the words of someone like Phillip, whose quotes on population are well documented and easy to find. these things are always couched in the idea of "sustainability", the thing that they say will make OUR lives nice, as though we are the ones that made this stupid "unsustainable" system up.

the thing is, you don't have to take my word for anything. you are welcome to look or not look yourself.

i don't care about philosophy either. it's made by lazy people who never actually do anything of value, lawyer-style.

it's just my point of view. i'm not especting anyone to agree, necessarily. if you are going to belittle the IDEA, then i'm going to have fun showing the other side.

Hi, so who's Phillip? Sounds like a place to start.

If you are going to belittle the IDEA of Philosophy, then I'll have fun showing you the other side, with links to more Philosophy articles!
They're easy to find too. And they don't go stale after a few years...

Same could be said of Science btw - done by lazy people who never do anything of any value. It's the Engineers that take the Science and make something of value from that. With Philosophy, -we- are the engineers!
And psychologists, economists, politicians, and others have been influenced by Philosophy over the years. But, I'd agree, in terms of folk who do stuff of value, maybe my point is self-defeating in choosing that particular set of professions!

aww, nice to meet you!




Phillip is the Queen's husband. he's the husband of the person who owns title to 1/6 of the Earth's land.

Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh? He's a complete mentaller!
Mad as a hatter.. One of the most awkward individuals you'll ever see...

Don't get caught up with the UK Monarchy man.

Between the Queen and the Devil, you have your favourite subjects, don't you?!

I think that your speculations guys are very interesting to read and follow, nothing wrong with them, on the contrary, I find them interesting with some cool points to take in consideration and learn about, please keep going and enjoy your comunication.

In regard to Hubird, well… I don’t read him anymore. I have entirely lost all my interest in his person and have not any hope left at communicating. I've lost all credibility in his artificial, empty words and endless protection. His style has become certainly poisonous, malicious, and at the same time empty, so what interest may I have! If he wants to keep going on, he can do it, it’s his life. Staring at an empty CD laying in the floor is more interesting that reading his quotations…

Back to topic: The important thing it is not as much what we believe is true or false about a possible war, but what is going on, and facts are showing that the thoughts exposed by this thread at the beginning are becoming real as everyday there is more forces joining the general conflict that is leading us toward to a posible nuclear WWIII. I don’t believe the elites will be able to implement the whole of Agenda 21, but some of it they will, in fact, this has already started. Anyway, life is not as easily controllable as the powerful ones would like for it to be. There are many surprises along the way and nature has a lot to do with it, we cannot control nature but to a certain extent only, very, very fortunately for us. The more we push the world into desperation, the more nature will react against the abusers. Earth is alive.