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so you're an IT project manager and specialist in low level coding and interface technology to judge ?
if not: just shut the f*** off
bigger companies with 7-figure budgets have had longer delays on much simpler stuff...
you know...
we're talking realtime here, you just can't hide the flaws behind some workarounds or lame coding

cheers, Tom

Geez, people complain when they don't communicate, and they complain when they do.

Glad that I'm no longer a developer

SC is a small company that doesn't have a large team of coders.

If it's not fast enough, then do some searching on how well any of the other companies are doing with STABLE 64-bit drivers, etc.

Anyways, I think 64-bit is closer than we think.

Greg

astroman wrote:so you're an IT project manager and specialist in low level coding and interface technology to judge ?
if not: just shut the f*** off
bigger companies with 7-figure budgets have had longer delays on much simpler stuff...
you know...
we're talking realtime here, you just can't hide the flaws behind some workarounds or lame coding

cheers, Tom

Quite frankly there is no need to be so rude to Saskija.

Sonic Core are in this instance repeating the mistake Creamware made and making promises they cannot keep. So it's hardly surprising that users get frustrated.

You dont need to be an IT project manager or specialist in low level coding to realise that, but hey if it helps, I used to be both!

Managing client expectation is a major part of software development.

Having said that, thankfully of all of the mistakes of Creamware, this is one of the few they seem to not have learnt from (yet!), so hopefully the 64 bit drivers will be with us soon.

Sonic Core did not 'promise' anything they gave estimated time. When they stopped giving estimated time points in the past people would pretty much twist their arms for one afterwards when they came to this forum. Is it better they stop giving estimations again? Whether they give one or not does'nt change the fact that the software is done when it's done, anything else is a guess. Whether they give you a estimated time or not is'nt going to make the software done any quicker. Whether the estimation of time is accurate or not is'nt going to make the software finished any quicker, your still going to have to wait till it's finished. "It's finished when it's finished" is the only accurate answer.

SCOPE is a very complex platform and Sonic Core is coding for two different hardware types. There is SDK, Solaris and other things that add up and keep them with a huge workload. Do try to see things from their point of view aswell. I'm hoping S|C grow larger as a company soon so more work can get done faster, cause it needs to. Maybe they should stop giving estimations again, but that still won't make anything get done quicker, your still going to have to wait till it's done.

Sounddesigner wrote: SCOPE is a very complex platform and Sonic Core is coding for two different hardware types. There is SDK, Solaris and other things that add up and keep them with a huge workload. Do try to see things from their point of view aswell. I'm hoping S|C grow larger as a company soon so more work can get done faster, cause it needs to. Maybe they should stop giving estimations again, but that still won't make anything get done quicker, your still going to have to wait till it's done.

All these things can be taken into account when producing projects plans from which one derives an estimate...

And managing customer expectation effectively also means letting them know as soon as possible when there is slippage and revising the estimate. Not communicating at all would be the worst thing to do.

In my opinion there is one thing:

As a german company called GmbH you have to earn money.
As a developer you have to publish and sell out programs and hardware.
All Hardware developers are going to 64 bit and they are all doing as follow:

- they announce their roadmap (i.e. Steinberg with Cubase 5)
- they are saying (or promising) nothing until the release of the new software/drivers...

S|C is promising /announcing from month to month - that's a little too serious for me...

menno wrote:

astroman wrote:so you're an IT project manager and specialist in low level coding and interface technology to judge ?
if not: just shut the f*** off
bigger companies with 7-figure budgets have had longer delays on much simpler stuff...
you know...
we're talking realtime here, you just can't hide the flaws behind some workarounds or lame coding

cheers, Tom

Quite frankly there is no need to be so rude to Saskija.

welly, welly, well...
it wasn't more 'rude' than the poster's statement regarding SC's competence
...and the way of writing suggests the statement wasn't backed by any idea about the subject

cheers, Tom

ps you convinced me: I revoke the f-word and alter to : please, just shut up

Sounddesigner wrote:Sonic Core did not 'promise' anything they gave estimated time. When they stopped giving estimated time points in the past people would pretty much twist their arms for one afterwards when they came to this forum. Is it better they stop giving estimations again? Whether they give one or not does'nt change the fact that the software is done when it's done, anything else is a guess. Whether they give you a estimated time or not is'nt going to make the software done any quicker. Whether the estimation of time is accurate or not is'nt going to make the software finished any quicker, your still going to have to wait till it's finished. "It's finished when it's finished" is the only accurate answer.

SCOPE is a very complex platform and Sonic Core is coding for two different hardware types. There is SDK, Solaris and other things that add up and keep them with a huge workload. Do try to see things from their point of view aswell. I'm hoping S|C grow larger as a company soon so more work can get done faster, cause it needs to. Maybe they should stop giving estimations again, but that still won't make anything get done quicker, your still going to have to wait till it's done.

+1
Between OSX, 64 bit, Solaris, the next 32 bit 5.x release (which will come with the 64 bit version too)...the XITE-1 owners will benefit the most...for, there will be a nice surprise for you XITE-1 owners, that did spend the money to buy the most powerful DSP hardware platform available...
Patience guys....it is coming, and when it does....there will be much to discuss....discover....and share......

I'd rather wait than have something released that's fucked full of bugs

Good stuff comes to people who wait.....

I'm looking more at OSX drivers so I can hook up my wee White MacBook

plus gives me more time to get the cash together..........

Cash together for.....hhhhmmmm....let me guess......
Your brotha'

It's like waiting for a girl while she's still prepping.
You are upset, but you know you're going to score, but if you say how you really feel you usually end up regretting you said anything.

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Yeah I am anxious for 64bit too so I can buy more 64bit apps that are just bridged 32bit apps that waste RAM.
Anyone here even seen a DAW yet than can access more than 11GB's on a 24GB load..?
I wanted this since I am a Kontakt/Gigastudio guy who has also fallen for the jive hype of 64bit, but after seeing how poorly the 64bit DAWs operate, I have decided that 2 x 1U 32bit DAW's outperform a single Giant clunker 64bit DAW.
Even more funny is the Muse Receptor that is 32bit Linux and loads twice what a Mac can load using the same RAM, and the PC's run better than the slow but powerful Mac's, but a PC using 64bit and 8GB's of RAM can only use 4.5GB's for audio buffers, and thats if you use ECC 1333 UB DIMM's.
I need mature, working equipment, and surely don't need to run bridged apps inefficiently.
You guys need to see a Receptor using a Dual Core 2.9GHz CPU and 4GB's of RAM. Then you'll realize the premature necessities we have been told we must have are a joke.
But hey, I realize saying you have a 64bit DAW is trendy.
I always liked older jeans that fit instead of the newer Wal Mart Chinese made ones.

well said, Jimmy - to that I'll subscribe...

cheers, Tom

I just thought I'd warn these guys that the girl is all smoke and no fire.
I was gung ho 64bit and OctoQuad, etc.
It's all Bull Shit. I ask guys who post on the Composer forum for a jpeg of their DAW running SiSandra or Prime and they obviously would rather chit chat.
So this leaves me with only hands on experience with the local rigs I use when I record or that friends use, and outside of my snappy rig, the Recpeptors work really well but sadly are packed with thin weak sounding NI instruments and freebies from KVR.
But hey we will see these gigantic successful loads and huge massive 64bit rigs here pretty soon.
But then again, I doubt they want to post any bench's or even jpeg's of their frustrating experiences with their new " Smokin' " 64bit DAW's.

not to forget that everything which doesn't exceed 32 bits needs to be filled up with 4 bytes of digital zeros...

cheers, Tom

Well we are talking about 64bit drivers but....even Scope 5.1 for 32bit system seems a never ending story....

Meanwhile Scope 4.x runs great on my 'old' Scope box with a decent 64bit box sitting next to it. When S|C gets 5.x & 64bit stable then I will start thinking about when to 'swap' the Scope box for my 'current' and get a 'new' box but until then it gets plenty of use anyway. If I wanted to have ONLY one machine and I insisted on OSX *only* or Win7-64 *only* then I would just put the cards on the shelf until the drivers are out and make my move now.

On the upside it seems m-audio finally got working 64bit drivers out for my midisport (non-anniversary) which is a plus since their Vista drivers never worked either. Apparently there are timing issues, but my older Digi hardware tends to fall off the map after 3 years (their product cycles) so I wasn't ever expecting working midisport drivers.

And Focusrite is only 'current' for Win7-64bit with their most recent lineup as well. I know several people that bought into their soundcards 2-3 years ago that have all kinds of issues with anything but ASIO using the 'legacy' firewire driver "fix". Same for quite a few other firewire cards I can think of (M-audio, TC etc) which basically means they ported their Vista driver and gave it an updated check for OS version so the installer doesn't complain but didn't account for the changes that MS has made to the firewire security features in the new driver. In fact I'd say that's common for many vendors, instead of releasing 64bit support for newer & older platforms alike the current/new product lines are updated first and if the older ones don't get taken care of eventually...well they'll obsolesce at some point anyway (ie get dropped from support.)

So having 'upcoming' support for Scope cards that I've used for almost a decade is great imo, as I can keep going with the list of gear in excess of a grand that I have that won't ever get support after a decade in the computing world.

64bit could end the STS sampler memory limit, Ralf told me that they had that wishing with the 64bit drivers, even he didn´t asure it, it´s a posibility. I´m waiting for this, I probably will go for Xite if that occurs.

Now Adobe Production CS5 is quite near the release... As you know (and this is important), PREMIERE PRO CS5 is only working on 64-Bit-Systems now!
I am using the Scope Platform because the ADA-Interface for my surround-System and the 8 single-inputs.
When I have CS5 in my hands I have to swith my Win7 from 32 to 64 Bit at this moment.
When can I expect the 64-Bit-Drivers (it would be great to have the beta at least)? It was announced the last time for 1 month which has been passed now (again)........

Thanx

64-bit may be imminent.

Greg