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[alfonso]

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[alfonso]

Alfonso, I'm ready to vocode some bass-pedal minimoog with the tuba in a frock - just say the word

That would be very funny.....I'm sorry I hacked this thread a bit but I was misplaced by a post about Xite marketing and for a moment i thought I was in another thread...

Maybe I'll make another thread about it, but I'm serious when i say that nothing would be better of a live music show. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for some wishful z members, no video has been shot by HC, no articles, nothing. It's obvious that SC in this moment doesn't have the resources to do some things that would be indispensable in any commecial enterprise. You have to push forward hard in this world, no one moves a finger for nothing, SC can't hope to be on all the magazines and getting public raves only because the product is very good.
The alternative is not between masses of buyers and a niche share, but between a modest but consistent portion of the market and nothing. Something has to be done, otherwise ancient problems might reappear.
It was inspiring to see Gary B in a video condensing for the first time some real features in an understandable way, correct English, in a small video, which has a plus in the freshness and instinctive sympathy it triggers in the spectator. I think the community has to move a little to supply ideas and initiatives to defend a bright future for a platform that is felt as indispensable.
The video was filling an awful gap.
I'm serious when I say that I would join a couple of guys in a live show at the Messe...if some German PlZ member who lives not far from there is wishing to help for a place to stay and to participate....if SC agrees obviously and can get the space and provide a minimum of P.A. and stage...

I think that a single Xite-1 can make an incredible performance and leave people speachless.
Last post in this thread about it, but i wanted to throw the stone....

[dawman]

Holger & Jurgen have contacted the infamous 400 Pound Elvis from Paris to help out.
They are hashing out the details with the contract from the Barbary Coast right now.

Meanwhile back at the ranch.........................

[braincell]

That is kind of you Alfonso. Are you famous? I'm just curious. I wish they would sell the company to a company with deep pockets (and keep the current staff).

I'm starting to think that one thing to do is a live performance at the Messe.

Personally I would partecipate for free if a bit of accomodation for few days to prepare the thing is provided , not necessarily an hotel, and a ticket from Italy and back. I offer my availability.

[Neutron]

well i tried twice to install the vista drivers for emu 0404, and it just sits there "installing driver" untill it shut it down. i left it for a couple of hours when i went to do something else and it still just sitting there.

ill try installing intel chipset driver instead of the one windows installed next(even though it seems to have found everything else fine)

[garyb]

That is kind of you Alfonso. Are you famous? I'm just curious. I wish they would sell the company to a company with deep pockets (and keep the current staff).

it's a nice sentiment, but it would also surely mean the end of Scope. the only companies with deep pockets are the competitors...you may not realize it, but there are only a handful of companies making almost all the products now. most of the companies have been bought out by multinationals like Harmon, Roland, Yamaha and Digidesign....

[siriusbliss]

That is kind of you Alfonso. Are you famous? I'm just curious. I wish they would sell the company to a company with deep pockets (and keep the current staff).

it's a nice sentiment, but it would also surely mean the end of Scope. the only companies with deep pockets are the competitors...you may not realize it, but there are only a handful of companies making almost all the products now. most of the companies have been bought out by multinationals like Harmon, Roland, Yamaha and Digidesign....

yeah, consolidation is not good in the industry in the long run.

Power to the little people!

Greg

[Shroomz~>]

I'm serious when I say that I would join a couple of guys in a live show at the Messe...if some German PlZ member who lives not far from there is wishing to help for a place to stay and to participate....if SC agrees obviously and can get the space and provide a minimum of P.A. and stage...

I like the idea of a small band performing & recording with XITE at the Messe alfonso. It's a pretty cool idea. The only problems I can see are related to cost & space. Cost in the sense that the EXPO stand space per meter squared to allow for a stage would cost a lot xtra & a stage would either need to be hired or constructed, both of which are expensive. I've built stages at lots of exhibitions & have planned costs for such things while working for exhibition companies & can say for sure that the materials to build a small stage would cost between EUR 500 & 1000 depending on build quality. Overall cost for the stage & the stand space to allow for it could be anything between EUR 2000 & EUR 5000 depending on the fees charged for space @ the Music Messe (which I'm not certain of as I've never worked at that show). For big companies that's not a lot of money, but for small ones it is.

[braincell]

yeah, consolidation is not good in the industry in the long run.

Power to the little people!

Greg

I don't think that Apple buying Emagic hurt that company; in fact, it may have saved their asses. I could see a Yamaha buyout of SC as a very positive development. It sure as hell would be better than sinking into oblivion!

[Shroomz~>]

I take it that you never bought a DSP Factory card then Braincell?

[garyb]

Apple's buying of Emagic didn't help.

Yamaha would only buy Scope to shut it down. you can be sure of that. big companies are not fans of products that require explanation.

besides, except for the fact that i would like Holger and Jurgen to do well, and i would LOVE to see developement continue and expand, the system already works well and is a keeper. it'll always be useful as a digital mixer, and effects box, a multi timbral sound module. i'm not frightened of oblivion, nor do i require everyone to have one, or other people to accept it, in order to feel good about using it.

[siriusbliss]

I guess we'll see what Rolanar and Yamabase become.

Greg

[alfonso]

Since Steinberg is owned by Yamaha (well, Pinnacle too) their policy is to sell "pro" software which is never debugged until the end, after a while a new upgrade comes in and you have to shelve some € to hope to get rid of some bugs. I don't say that you have to be warrantied a fully bug free software as it probably doesn't exist, but the fact that it is abandoned after 1.5-2 years and you must buy new features that you don't need or stick with bugs this plain sucks. If you see, Scope 4.5, without the additional devices, can be installed for free from a 3.1 version, the recent Cubase 4 samplerate fix is available for everyone for free. If it was Yamaha we would have already be taxed of 300-400 € to arrive from 3.1 to 4.5 and the support would be absolutely absent, in any form, like it is for Cubase now, just pay and pay and then pay some more. Try to call Steinberg at the phone, you won't find any Ralf there. You won't find anyone.

[Fede]

Since Steinberg is owned by Yamaha (well, Pinnacle too)

Pinnacle has been sold again, it is part of Avid/Digidesign now.

[braincell]

Alfonso,

There is a bug in the SFP S/PDIF that Creamware and SC never fixed and they have no intention of fixing. It is a severe bug as is causes the s/pdif to have no audio! I would love for them to fix the modular 3 shell without forcing me to buy Scope 5! I would love to hear the explanation for not fixing known bugs. I still can't get S/PDIF to work on the Luna but I am fortunate to have another on the Scope which currently works.

Of course Steinberg and Yamaha don't care about SC because almost nobody uses it. It is always up to the smaller company to fix such problems. Some people in this group said that it would be impossible for SC to patch the sample rate bug it because they would have to rewrite the entire SFP so we should just wait until Scope 5 and buy it. That statement turned out to be total BS!

[garyb]

what sp/dif issue is that? i use it all the time and it DEFINITELY works properly. the OLD cards won't do an sp/dif loop(out and back into the card), but that's a design issue that the type2 cards don't have. i wasn't aware of any other issue.

although i would like them to fix the modular shell because i like everything to be perfect, i don't understand what the problem with using the mod2 shell is.

there really aren't any show stoppers in the software because when Holger and Jurgen worked for Creamware, they DID fix bugs, just like they "fixed" the Steinberg asio bug which wasn't a bug at all, but was a change in the asio standard...

the only way that a big company could help S/C is to inject money into the system, which might speed things up, but might not. they couldn't do anything else for S/C though. S/C already has more knowledge and skill than Roland when it comes to this specific platform. these guys are the TOP of their field because NOONE has gone there. analog devices was even surprised by XITE and how many dsps are working together(they visited the show). those who have Scope are the priviledged few, who've even ever seen such hardware(priviledged unless you don't like something like Scope).

i'm with you about fixing ANYthing that's broke. i'm not with any hangdog, sad sack whining and whinging.

[garyb]

Since Steinberg is owned by Yamaha (well, Pinnacle too)

Pinnacle has been sold again, it is part of Avid/Digidesign now.

there's the end of the difference between Pinnacle and Avid. Avid is now branded as "pro" and Pinnacle is now branded as the "consumer" and "prosumer" version of Avid. one big product, no competition or innovation needed, just like Avid/Digidesign has done with M-Audio. now, besides Scope and high-end cards like Lynx(which aren't in stores, in general), there's only Digi products when you go to the store. wow, big help...

[alfonso]

Alfonso,

There is a bug in the SFP S/PDIF that Creamware and SC never fixed and they have no intention of fixing. It is a severe bug as is causes the s/pdif to have no audio! I would love for them to fix the modular 3 shell without forcing me to buy Scope 5! I would love to hear the explanation for not fixing known bugs. I still can't get S/PDIF to work on the Luna but I am fortunate to have another on the Scope which currently works.

Of course Steinberg and Yamaha don't care about SC because almost nobody uses it. It is always up to the smaller company to fix such problems. Some people in this group said that it would be impossible for SC to patch the sample rate bug it because they would have to rewrite the entire SFP so we should just wait until Scope 5 and buy it. That statement turned out to be total BS!

The Spdif issue you have, as Gary said, doesn't exist as a bug. Maybe is a hardware problem of your Luna or the cable or whatever.

My opinion on the M3 shell is that it's just a bit unstable upon loading some times because of the bitmap load but i have no idea of other bugs. M3 shell doesn't give you anything else better than M2 one, so I just use this one. My use of the modular is massive and i don't have any issues. The famous so called preset bug doesn't exist, it's just that whan you make a preset file at a certain moment the current modules and connections of the modular are taken as the structure to relate parameters to, so if you change modules and connections that preset file is not 100% corresponding anymore.
Crashes related to Video track management (I make music for films as my main job) which Steinberg offers as a pro feature exactly for my job are a pita for me and slow down my workflow but they decided that they won't fix it in SX3. That has nothing to do with Scope. I don't have any problem with Scope, I have some Cubase bugs that annoy me and won't be fixed.
Stainberg should release bug fix patches also for SX3 if they fix it in newer versions. But they won't, because you have to pay if you want that pro feature that you already payed for, to work as advertized.

It's ten years now, I never payed for a bug fix in Scope, never...and there have been many from the times of the Pulsar 1.0 software.

[braincell]

It *is* a bug since the S/PDIF out on the Pulsar One worked with the first Creamware platform then suddenly stopped working on the second one. Same exact system!

Dear Garyb,
The spdif out doesn't work.
I tried another cable extender too.
Where can I find an older version of scope like 2.5 to try this out ?
Regards,
Dimitrios

What s/pdif problem? No audio or sync from the s/pdif. Is that clear enough Gary?

My post was mainly to counter whiners about Cubase making you buy up to fix bugs. Perhaps this is not the only company which does this. I'm betting the mod shell problem will mysteriously disappear in SFP 5 with no explanation of why it was there in the first place or apology. This due to a few complaints. The S/PDIF thing while a more serious flaw, will not get fixed. SC will ignore it since there seem to be few people who it affects. If you are one of them, it makes you angry though. Why is the Luna S/PDIF a mini jack anyway? That seems really stupid when nobody else does it that way.

[siriusbliss]

Alfonso,

There is a bug in the SFP S/PDIF that Creamware and SC never fixed and they have no intention of fixing. It is a severe bug as is causes the s/pdif to have no audio! I would love for them to fix the modular 3 shell without forcing me to buy Scope 5! I would love to hear the explanation for not fixing known bugs. I still can't get S/PDIF to work on the Luna but I am fortunate to have another on the Scope which currently works.

Of course Steinberg and Yamaha don't care about SC because almost nobody uses it. It is always up to the smaller company to fix such problems. Some people in this group said that it would be impossible for SC to patch the sample rate bug it because they would have to rewrite the entire SFP so we should just wait until Scope 5 and buy it. That statement turned out to be total BS!

I presume the SPDIF issue on your Luna is probably just your card, or something configured strangely.
SPDIF works on my old Pulsar I and Scope Pro, and used to work fine on my old PowerSampler (Luna) - which also had the mini-jack - (which I later sold to make room for the Pro).
I don't recall hearing anything about a sample-rate bug.
So...how is your Luna configured that doesn't have SPDIF working? Just curious.

Greg