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Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:07 am
by siriusbliss
braincell wrote:siriusbliss wrote:
I presume 64-bit is still a bit of marketing fodder at this point
Greg
I'm going to try it because of the Vienna Symphonic Library supports it:
http://vsl.co.at/en/65/71/84/1050.vsl
I presume that I will get Cubase 4.5 Vista 64-bit preview to work alright, (fingers crossed). I will report back here.
Sadly there are no 64-bit drivers for Scope cards and I am guessing there never will be except maybe for future cards. I am going to try and use the built in S/PDIF on my motherboard with ASIO4ALL (works with 64-bit). I may go with the M-Audio Delta Audiophile 192 at some point. They have Beta Vista 64-bit drivers. I must say I am disappointed with Sonicore for launching the Xite rather than making the drivers which I need. I would be willing to pay for drivers. The next SFP should include this but I'm thinking it is not likely. I'll try to hold off on the M-Audio card if I can.
Great video Greg
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Yeah, they'd also have to get good performance with 64-bit over PCI bus
- and I'm NOT going to rely on USB or Firewire at this time - so.... I think there's still a bit of transition period going on here, but that's OK.
Glad you like the video.
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:56 pm
by garyb
braincell wrote:siriusbliss wrote:
I presume 64-bit is still a bit of marketing fodder at this point
Greg
I'm going to try it because of the Vienna Symphonic Library supports it:
http://vsl.co.at/en/65/71/84/1050.vsl
I presume that I will get Cubase 4.5 Vista 64-bit preview to work alright, (fingers crossed). I will report back here.
Sadly there are no 64-bit drivers for Scope cards and I am guessing there never will be except maybe for future cards. I am going to try and use the built in S/PDIF on my motherboard with ASIO4ALL (works with 64-bit). I may go with the M-Audio Delta Audiophile 192 at some point. They have Beta Vista 64-bit drivers. I must say I am disappointed with Sonicore for launching the Xite rather than making the drivers which I need. I would be willing to pay for drivers. The next SFP should include this but I'm thinking it is not likely. I'll try to hold off on the M-Audio card if I can.
Great video Greg
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afaik, Scope 5 will have 64bit drivers. i'm not privy to any hard information, so don't take this as gospel or official, but....
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:15 pm
by braincell
If that is true, I will be very happy to buy it.
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:44 pm
by siriusbliss
braincell wrote:If that is true, I will be very happy to buy it.
You get Scope 5 (system) for free if you already have 4.5, yes?
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:47 pm
by siriusbliss
Oh, sorry braincell, I thought you had Scope for Flexor, yes?
Sorry to assume...
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:55 pm
by braincell
I have 4.5 but you only get version 5 for free if you bought version 4.5. For some insane reason there are two versions of 4.5 and they both have the exact same name.
I am was waiting to see what the cost will be. It seems you can buy a Scope card and for not much more money, $100 I think it was, you also get Scope 5. That tells you how over-priced the platform is or else the cards are under-priced.
I would prefer some of the money go to our economy, besides they might release a new card soon. I have an extra PCIe slot just in case. I just want them to hurry up and release the Xite. Get that out of the way because it's holding up card progress.
P.S.
I don't want to hear someone pipe in like before that the Xite is a card. That is an absurd argument!
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:09 pm
by capacitor
It's a card inside for sure. If you send one to me I'll verify
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:47 pm
by siriusbliss
braincell wrote:P.S.
I don't want to hear someone pipe in like before that the Xite is a card. That is an absurd argument!
Well, it's a box that plugs into the PCI bus - like a card - so, sorta the same thing as far as how the OS, etc. sees it (I think).
Inside? We'll have to see what they did with the DSP's.
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:53 pm
by garyb
XITE is a giant card.
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:54 pm
by siriusbliss
Having done hardware design and layout for almost 30 years now - I can attest that EVERYTHING is eventually on one big card
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:08 pm
by garyb
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:34 pm
by braincell
Greg,
You are one big card.
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:49 pm
by siriusbliss
braincell wrote:Greg,
You are one big card.
gee, thanks.
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:00 am
by braincell
Everything will eventually be software and we will mock the hardware days. I don't want to plug a cable into my PCI or PCIe!
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:53 am
by siriusbliss
braincell wrote:Everything will eventually be software and we will mock the hardware days. I don't want to plug a cable into my PCI or PCIe!
Then you're out of luck, because current software paradigms need hardware to run - so you're stuck - even if it's only a motherboard, or USB stick, or SD card. It's all still hardware.
Xite is a hardware plugin -
From Soniccore site:
Hardware Specifications
* Features
DSP-based audio-platform, 32 bit / 44.1, 48, 96 kHz,
19inch/1U rackmount unit,
external link via PCI-Express (PC) or ExpressCard interface (Notebook)
Greg
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:50 pm
by braincell
It won't be hardware as we know it; just a little CPU with a bunch of software. Probably silent and very small. I will be checking out the Gigabyte S/PDIF soon (fingers crossed about the quality and performance of it).
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:49 am
by garyb
braincell wrote:It won't be hardware as we know it; just a little CPU with a bunch of software. Probably silent and very small. I will be checking out the Gigabyte S/PDIF soon (fingers crossed about the quality and performance of it).
it will be sp/dif and have sp/dif performance. quality will be sp/dif.......and whatever the converters are on either side of it.
yes, we'll all soon be cloud computing, we won't own anything, everything will be on the main server. anyone who needs a computer will just have a wireless terminal interface. then we will have the humans. the next step is to connect the wireless web which powers the cloud to their brains and the conquest of earth is complete. WHA!!!! is thing thing on???!!! you dum.........
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:33 pm
by braincell
I got 18 ms delay on the s/pdif (with ASIO4ALL) which is less delay than I normally could use on the SFP with my old computer. I have not tested it in the real world yet because I am too busy installing and configuring software but it just might be decent enough for now. I should know in a couple of days. I'm still waiting on the new midi interface and then I want to really test it out.
I have installed both Cubase 32-bit and Cubase 64-bit because Steinberg says that 32-bit VST plugins will be a drag on the 64-bit version. People are using Cubase 32-bit in Vista 64 with no problems but that would defeat the purpose of me getting 8 gigs of RAM. RAM is cheap so come on Sonic Core, new drivers!
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:38 pm
by braincell
I have just discovered that it is 6 ms delay without ASIO4ALL. I'm not sure why, probably because ASIO4ALL was designed for analog PCI cards. Alright so now we know the latency is fine. The next step will have to be real world music making with lots of tracks and effects.
Re: Reaper Continues
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:45 pm
by braincell
garyb wrote:
yes, we'll all soon be cloud computing, we won't own anything
That can never happen because something called the laws of physics. Perhaps you have heard of it? The speed of light is not quick enough for music.
