Land of the free?

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:33 pm

BingoTheClowno wrote:
garyb wrote: HAARP is available and open for all to study? a DOD operation? that's a lie, and as zangsta said, there is more than one installation. the alaska install is just the most well known.

HAARP wrote: We recognize that there is great interest in the scientific work of the facility and, as a result, we hold an annual open house, generally of two days duration, at which any and all are invited to visit the site and take photographs of the buildings and instruments located there. Several scientists are usually present at these open houses so that visitors can talk directly with those who use the facility for research. Open houses have been held most years since 1995 and have proven to be a popular event.
Who's a liar now?

Visitors two days ? OK, nice!
And allowed to talk to the scientist, very good.
Even allowed to take photos...!? Amazing!!

BUT WHAT DOES THIS PROVE.....????

The lamest post I´ve seen in a while..what age are you..12??
And btw, who has accused anyone of lying??

Post by **garyb** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:50 pm

hubird wrote:well, to intervene for a moment, why wouldn't anybody be interested is someone elses vision or interpretations?
isn't he allowed to speak free?
I love the Dbate, specially with Gary, as he never gives up

garyb wrote:actually, i don't think the government has ANY thing to say about things like euthanasia. if a very sick man dies and there is no complaint, why would the government even be involved?
you know why: misabuse is around the corner.
also the society has a responsibility to the individual: someone can be depressive because of solitude, and that should principally be a concern of the society as is.

yes, man.
but we were speaking of euthanasia, which in the hands of the government as law is the situation with the worst chance of abuse.

but all these endless arguments are not about reality either. the state is not the keeper/father/mother of the individual, although because of the corrupting nature of power, the state will always want to be the individual's guardian and master. i don't think you can really imagine it any other way, though. people don't need a better class of experts and privileged ones to lead them, they really don't. what they do need is the truth, and a veiw of life "outside the matrix". they'll do the right thing then, just like people always do when they are in the real world. the village is not the real world, but the village is what you always describe.

no. 6 out.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:48 pm

hubird wrote:You're hopeless
You're so obsessed by the idea of total control by the Elite(s) that you count in every arguement into your world of truth.
the grove is a powerless rotary club, as demonstrated by that undercover journalist.
Should I really argue against the arguement of that forgotten German law as a proof of today fascisme in Germany??
A judge has to face the law, politions have to make or change them, and that should be the way it is.
Chavez tries to give back to his people some of the richness of his country, and if you say he's gathering mony for the elite which of course he's a member of you're loosing contact with reality.
Fascists still being elected doesn't make fascisme, don't you think?
One wrong word and they get sue'd.
Tax moves between 33 and 57% here, depending on income level.
The revenues go to roads, education, city planning and repair programs, and army also yes, that's what people want., etc. etc.
Compare that with the mediaval situation.
Bullets for the antiglobalists, yes, but without those protesters no bullets.
Or are those protesters hired by the elite?
It are the dynamics of history that interest me, denying any counterforces is what I call ahistorical, yes.
Com'on...

Chavez is a shill who's now getting provoked into a potential war with Columbia because SOMEBODY down there is not paying off their drug dues. THe global economy is in peril, and the prankster banksters are looking to recoup their

Gary's right bud, sorry. TOo many interpretations of all of this is still just skimming the surface.

Plenty of provocateurs in those so-called 'protest' rally's by the way.

Why would a rotary club be filled with 'elitists' that include future planned Presidents, Corporate heads, etc. even get together in the first place? Why would they BOTHER even getting together and watching some stupid play about an owl?

It's really confronting to our belief systems to even consider that perhaps NONE OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW IS REAL!!

The truth doesn't hurt as long as the deception.

Greg

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:56 pm

I say you are all part of the Elite, as they take many forms to infiltrate any organisation (like this forum) to spread propaganda for their own "greater good" at any chance!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:21 am

Indeed,

We have been infiltrated.

But I think there are members here who belong to Homeland Security since we have international, borderless ties.

Maybe they will possibly buy a card when the price drops this summer.

Once they start creating great re mixes and projects in Scope, they will soon realise their low paying Federal jobs aren't really necessary. No more drug testing, access to Marijuana Medical cards, great possibilities.

I wish to thank them for keeping all of us Z members safe.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:13 am

piddi wrote:I say you are all part of the Elite, as they take many forms to infiltrate any organisation (like this forum) to spread propaganda for their own "greater good" at any chance!

hahaha, you're funny.

'infiltrate' this little forum out in the middle of nowhere?
That's a real intelligent observation. I'm sure the folks on this little tiny forum are more intelligent than you give them credit for.
They just may not be as asleep as you are, or seem to be acknowledging by your statement.
It's OK, I won't take it personally. I know better.

Greg

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:17 am

Yeah, please make the idiots in your/my supposed government to stop drug testing and bring on the marijuana! Bring back hemp powered cars, and stop trying to control my body with those stupid insurance companies and ridiculous laws and burdening taxes.

Please!

Greg

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:32 am

They are quite intelligent actually.

You seem to underestimate your governments reach.

Having come from a long tradition of family members who served Uncle Sam and paid their dues, their distrust of their former master has alerted me to the realities, and incredible reach they posess.

In Nevada 92% of the land is federally owned. They say Area 51 doesn;t exist. Yet they tell you that Homeland Security and the NSA does.

If they openly admit that, you should at least take notice.

I respect everyones opinion here, and simply enjoy injecting humor into a rather dark reminder of the forces that be.

Wealth And Power are infectious. Castro, Chavez, and similar " peasants " who rose to power to help their people actually have earned my respect. It's what they have done and are doing once they have achieved goal # 1 that disgusts me.

I long for the world of Star Trek where planets become adversaries, and not rivers, lakes, oceans, and borders.

Knowledge is power, money has little use.

Prove you are capable as a performer / producer, and EARN your XITE-100, since by the time my fantasy of the world arrives, Sonicore will be at it's 100th upgrade, and I will most likely die onstage sometime before the year of our Lord,.....2050.

Enough of this eversion, it was brief, and entertaining, I have a DAW wasting precious resources to tend to.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:40 am

scope4live wrote:They are quite intelligent actually.

You seem to underestimate your governments reach.

Having come from a long tradition of family members who served Uncle Sam and paid their dues, their distrust of their former master has alerted me to the realities, and incredible reach they posess.

In Nevada 92% of the land is federally owned. They say Area 51 doesn;t exist. Yet they tell you that Homeland Security and the NSA does.

If they openly admit that, you should at least take notice.

I respect everyones opinion here, and simply enjoy injecting humor into a rather dark reminder of the forces that be.

Wealth And Power are infectious. Castro, Chavez, and similar " peasants " who rose to power to help their people actually have earned my respect. It's what they have done and are doing once they have achieved goal # 1 that disgusts me.

I long for the world of Star Trek where planets become adversaries, and not rivers, lakes, oceans, and borders.

Knowledge is power, money has little use.

Prove you are capable as a performer / producer, and EARN your XITE-100, since by the time my fantasy of the world arrives, Sonicore will be at it's 100th upgrade, and I will most likely die onstage sometime before the year of our Lord,.....2050.

Enough of this eversion, it was brief, and entertaining, I have a DAW wasting precious resources to tend to.

****
hear, hear!

Greg

edit: knowing of course that Chavez and Castro were both supported by the CIA, yes? Gotta keep that Cocaine money flowing while I can't even SMELL like marijuana without the local swat team bringing on the dogs!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:59 am

hubird wrote:well, to intervene for a moment, why wouldn't anybody be interested is someone elses vision or interpretations?
isn't he allowed to speak free?
I love the Dbate, specially with Gary, as he never gives up

Because he constantly conjures facts. Because his interpretations are flawed.
I did not say he is not allowed to speek freely, I just said that nobody would be interested in his interpretations of facts. But I was wrong since you apparently are.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:06 am

siriusbliss, just so you know it was not ment as a reply to your comment, it was only ment as a general sarcastic comment, and im well reputated to suck at those.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:08 am

and if hemp based fueled cars were allowed i could probably drive to vegas fueled by my own piss, but thats another story.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:15 am

Ankyu.........Ankyuvarynush.

I do hope when I visit the Amstel again,..I can delve deeply into their Cafe's and Coffee shops.

It has been a while since I indulged.

I am so straight these days,........I have to lay down to take a sht.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:23 am

piddi wrote:siriusbliss, just so you know it was not ment as a reply to your comment, it was only ment as a general sarcastic comment, and im well reputated to suck at those.

which is why I was laughing - and acknowledging the intellectual forethought of this group.
And YES, I AM an infiltrator and shill for the gooberment.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:28 pm

stardust wrote:homelandsecurity or NSA ?

NSA - New Scope Accumulator!

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:59 am

Some material backing up claims posted here before:

Recently a General from the Italian Army, Fabio Mini, released a
document and an audio interview stating that enviromental war is a
reality and mentioning among other things, HAARP and even Tom
Bearden. He did not directly mention chemtrails but even so this is
an important admission coming from such a high position.

http://www.sciesardegna.it/editoriali/edit15.asp
The link given is in Italian.

Jörgen

Post by **garyb** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:54 am

yes, the whole thing is an open secret. the thing is deny, deny, deny while making treaties and writing white papers in public the whole time.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:59 pm

A map reporting nuclear explosions since 1945 till 1998.

There's an add on for WorldWind that details the issue.

[added] I can find it any longer on the web, though I still should have it on some CD..

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:56 pm

A apt way of rounding of the thread, may it RIP, or heat up....

"When the illusion of freedom becomes too expensive to maintain,
they will just take down the scenery, pull back the curtains,
and you will see the brick wall in the back of the theatre."

Frank Zappa