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Dear Mr. Coherent darkrezin,

Calling her music wacko doesn't sound very descriptive nor is it a sophisticated review and the fact that you don't like sexy photos has nothing to do with her music. How do you get off claiming that it is commercial? In what universe?

I'm not an expert on Weather Report because what I heard of it turned me off along with Spiro Gyra, and Return to Forever. I liked one Return to Forever with Stanley Clark, Al Dimiola and Chick Corea. I have the Hymn of The Seventh Galaxy. That had balls. I like Miles Davis and Coltrane's Giant steps. A lot of jazz gets over produced, there is not enough spontaneity anymore. It almost seems like they practice too much. That's how I feel about Metheny. He puts so much emphasis on his technical ability that it has lost the soul. I don't care about how fast and how perfectly you can play. That is not what music is about to me. These people are so into making what they consider perfect music that they don't take any chances and they don't change music from album to album. When you know what to expect, that's boring to me.

The point is that WR and other fusion bands were doing something in their own time - early 70s so thats about 35 years ago - that had never been heard before. This Mary Pastorius stuff on the other hand is 'new' but it's doing absolutely zero that hasn't been done before. It's treading a very profitable path. Her father innovated and opened up new musical avenues, like Zawinul.

What you think about musical history is entirely up to you. I'm not particularly into, say, Stockhausen either. But I wouldn't go into a thread about it to say it's "bland". What does that achieve apart from making yourself look uninformed and rude? Just because I don't like it I cannot deny that it was groundbreaking and important.

It all depends on your background I guess. I've listened to NYC pop music from 100 years ago and thought about who the people were. There were many famous and wealthy musicians (manly the song writers) who are forgotten. I can assure you that nobody living then would like any of our current music and they would have worse ways to describe it than bland or wacky.

Nice shot of Josef !!

This thread Alfonso started is great.

BTW, I am stuck in the past, present, and future.

I love listening to Learnord Slatkin, Joel Revzen, Micheal Tilson Thomas, and many others, as conductors, they can take compositions that are 200 years old, and bring new life with every performance. Dynamics and control only are the usual variants.

Josef Zawinul performed up intil he left this world, and he surely was not stuck in the past, but could be percieved as bland by some I suppose. I see them as live experts who compose everytime they take the stage.

I actually liked Jaco's daughters stuff. I am that way though. I conformed for producers, and A & R people before. I later regretted it, but it is a part of reality if you goal is to sell records. I share Keith Emersons view,.....having a hit record, is a musical sin. I agree totally, but then I sucked cock and agreed with producers and exec's before as they were paying me well.

I can only hope to leave a small footprint before I part this world. There is only way to go. Just keep performing and composing, always recording live as to capture those rare performances, etc.

I actually like laying down tracks for certain rap artists here in LV also. And they surely love FAT BASTARDs just like me. They hear a different drummer though, and that's what's great about playing whatever is called for. I can learn from people who can't even play, but have great ideas with the orginization of sounds,...Music !! I very seldom hear compositions where I can't find something I like about it. John Cage is an example of hearing a different flavor, but my God, think of how many people were influenced by him, who open up their Grand Pianos and pluck, mute, or scrape the strings somehow.

Love It, Or Leave It.

braincell wrote:It all depends on your background I guess. I've listened to NYC pop music from 100 years ago and thought about who the people were. There were many famous and wealthy musicians (manly the song writers) who are forgotten. I can assure you that nobody living then would like any of our current music and they would have worse ways to describe it than bland or wacky.

yeah, but that doesn't excuse any current music. further, it's just not true. like it or not current music is a direct derivetive of music from then and many musicians from that period would like, no love current music. many would excell at it. many would notice, however, the lack of skill in the average musician and would note how limited the scope of music had become and how compartmentalized current offerings are. they'd also notice how much harder it is for an artist to make an honest living.

i really respect weather reprort, jaco, joey z et al, but i don't really prefer the music. i can't deny that they are/were fabulous players, on a level i'll likely not reach. some people are so good at what they do, that it is so effortless, that it can be confused for being without humanity. this is a shallow response, however. it's not right to hate someone for being either ugly or beautiful, likewise talented.

now, "queenmary", that to me is bland, but that's just my initial reaction to it. i have heard so many things like that these days, it's all over the suburbs, every bratty rich girl wanna be hippy fronts a band like that. mary's is good, but not that unique. her father's music however, is unique. no one else plays like that unless they are directly copying jaco. the same for mr. zawinul.

@ S4L, Gary
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I like the daughter, as she's physically not as out-dated as her music

Thanks for all the responses, including yours Braincell. Communication is a great thing.

All I can say is if you get something out of any music that makes you feel alive, then go for it, just do what you feel.

I have a little recommendation for new school shit, if anyone is interested. I was certainly really taken by it, hopefully you'll like it as well, maybe even enough to by their record (it's all about track 1

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=51237

I also recommend a guy called Daedalus... extreme electronics with real soul.

Thanks darkrezin. Nestor I am sorry.


Respect for the dead is something I do not understand because they do not exist anymore. Maybe some or most of you think people exist after they are dead.

I listened to to samples darkrezin. This is Trip Hop and not a new genre. The genre is 16 years old according to Wikipedia. I can't say that I like it. I do not know why I don't like it and this is not an attack on you.

Here is new music I love:

http://www.tonylevin.com/bpmsounds/elloh.mp3

braincell wrote:Respect for the dead is something I do not understand because they do not exist anymore. Maybe some or most of you think people exist after they are dead.

therefor usually the focus of the respect is on the ones who are left

that, i can't argue....

I still mourn.


tgstgs, take some pics @ Birdland for us !!