NEW PULSARIAN CONTEST! PLEASE JOIN!

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:03 am

i completely agree with kensuguro!

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:34 am

Sorry to be so late but I´m busy at the moment. This is a fine idea for a contest and I like to join this project.

Let us say everybody must transfer at least five files (bass, lead, sfx, chords/keys, percussion/drums) and up to five more files of any category.
So it is warranted that we have choice of any of those categories.
I don´t care about 24 or 16bit wavs.
The transfered filenames can start with category and then the artist name, so the files will have their order automaticly.
(bass1_nestor) for example.
Okay then, keep it coming...

[ This Message was edited by: ChrisWerner on 2003-10-24 05:36 ]

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:50 am

Great to see you here Chris!

Well, I think its finally taken form, is becoming quite clear, except the XTC, SFP thing, which I think should be "both".

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:35 pm

I don't personally see the big difference between XTC and SFP... but obviously it should be a "both" contest. I'm not really sure if it's still a contest, but more of a collaboration. Anyhow, it will be nice if we could add a "XTC" or "SFP" into the filenames of the samples. Just to see what sort of effect working in XTC or SFP will have on what types of samples are created. I'm guessing there isn't much of a difference, but if there is, it will be an interesting study of how our environment may affect our creativity.

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petal · Post by **petal** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:39 pm

I believe the original contest-idea was to make whole tracks/songs out of the samples that have been talked so much about. About the XTS/SFP-discussion, XTC was chosen because it would bring the XTC-option into focus and maybe force new ways of doing things into your personal CW-toolbox, an idea I personally liked, since I havn't used XTC much - With other words, I don't quite follow you in your last post Ken.....

Thomas

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:08 pm

I believe the original contest-idea was to make whole tracks/songs out of the samples that have been talked so much about. About the XTS/SFP-discussion, XTC was chosen because it would bring the XTC-option into focus and maybe force new ways of doing things into your personal CW-toolbox, an idea I personally liked, since I havn't used XTC much - With other words, I don't quite follow you in your last post Ken.....

Thomas

I'm with you Petal, just remember Mac users like Hubird that can't use XTC. So we thought both would be nice so people can get into the game regardless of their setup.

I guess for thouse like you and me, wishing to learn to use XTC, it is a great opportunity to get into it. I don't think it is irrelevant cos then you are going to be able to do final mixes with XTC, something we didn't know how to do so far

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:11 am

I totally understand the intention behind working in XTC.. and as much as I support the experiment, I personally don't have the time right now to set it up and to experiment with it. So again, for those who can afford an experimentation into new grounds, by all means do so. And since SFP is also allowed, I prefer to join with my current SFP setup. It's just a personal preference thingy. Don't worry about it. I'm not trying to put down the XTC experiment.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:55 am

Same here, I don´t want to re-install or enable the XTC mode. I´ll never use XTC.
I never understood why I should use XTC because I route the SFP thingies directly into Cubase without any XTC.

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:40 am

I think the idea was to force new worktools and maybe a new positive workflow into your toolbox - Simply to explore new posibilities in your CW-setup.... Nothing else - If people are allowed to do as they use to, the idea of exploring kind of get's lost. Ah well, I'll do the XTC-thing another day then.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:20 pm

well, I don't think you should give up experimenting with XTC just because Chris and I don't have the time to set it up. I think people should push themselves to use XTC mode if their situation allows them to. It's not a take it or leave situation. A majority of the contributors should use XTC if it's possible. If it isn't, then SFP is also okay, as an exception.

As I've stated before, I need my setup to be rock solid right now, as I have several projects running. I don't want to change setups right in the middle of a project. So, I consider myself an exception. (I think Nestor would too) I didn't really want to start a dispute. Just wanted to say that I was in one of those critical situations where I wanted to play safe.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:10 pm

On 2003-10-25 13:20, kensuguro wrote:
well, I don't think you should give up experimenting with XTC just because Chris and I don't have the time to set it up. I think people should push themselves to use XTC mode if their situation allows them to. It's not a take it or leave situation. A majority of the contributors should use XTC if it's possible. If it isn't, then SFP is also okay, as an exception.

As I've stated before, I need my setup to be rock solid right now, as I have several projects running. I don't want to change setups right in the middle of a project. So, I consider myself an exception. (I think Nestor would too) I didn't really want to start a dispute. Just wanted to say that I was in one of those critical situations where I wanted to play safe.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2003-10-25 13:26 ]

Sure Ken, don't worry

It is wise not to change your seput if you are working right now, of course.

I think using XTC or SFP will not change much the results, as you say, it may change the way do things.

The most important thing here, is the BUILDING of the song, the way people are going to chop all those little files, how they will start buioding a melody from stracch, comming from the mixture of perhaps, more than one handred files... how they will mix it and master it. This is the real chanllenge, not the XTC or SFP thing.

I think most things are alreay quite clear, but as I already suggested to wait till mondy, we are going to wait so till monday and then, I'll post a new update of all the rules, as clear and detailed as posible, sorf of a concentration of all we have been talking till now.

Thanks you gusy, for you help and interest of alwyas...

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:22 pm

On 2003-10-25 13:20, kensuguro wrote:

As I've stated before, I need my setup to be rock solid right now, as I have several projects running. I don't want to change setups right in the middle of a project. So, I consider myself an exception. (I think Nestor would too) I didn't really want to start a dispute. Just wanted to say that I was in one of those critical situations where I wanted to play safe.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2003-10-25 13:26 ]

chicken.....

No honestly, I completely understand your situation. In my last post I was simply trying to explain my point, not to start any kind of dispute.

No, I'm looking forward to listen to everyones contributions to this nice initiative from Nestor.

Cheers - let the muses in please.....
Thomas

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:15 pm

chicken.....

LOL

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:16 am

dbmac wrote:

Hey Royston - does your browser let you delete files in the public/planetz dir? Just curious how my server is handling "loggers"

Sorry for the reply delay...been orf with The Lurg last three days last week. Much better now though.

So far, I've just logged in a 'CD-ed' about. I need to get onto a UNIX box to put/get/del/pwd etc, as our Firewall blocks ALL incoming connections, so I need to have an FTP client which can work in 'Passive' mode, and the Windows FTP client doesn't allow this.

I can try it out soon this week, though.

Royston

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:46 am

Regarding dbmac's ftp server, it does allow deletions off the server, so we either need to be careful about how we spread the password around, or the permissions could be changed to not allow this (probably for the best to keep the password safe!)

Royston

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:31 am

Yes, the pasword should be given only to thos participationg, and not posted to the open of the Z, cos there are many comming here just to read, and you never know.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:36 am

I just did a couple of loops to see if it'll pass for the contest. Nestor, can you take a look?

http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/ebass_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/strings_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/piano_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/kicks_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/hats_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/hit_kensuguro_SFP.mp3
http://www.iface.ne.jp/~ken/shakers_kensuguro_SFP.mp3

I tried to keep them as dry as possible. Or are they too wet even as it is?

Also, I came up with too many parts and was thinking of perhaps joining the hats and shakers into 1 sample. Maybe you don't want multi track samples? And about the chords. You'll notice that the bass plays in Dmin, while the piano and strings play other chords that go with a Dmin bass. The piano and strings play different chords. (so you can switch back and forth for different chords) Just thought people might want something other than a straight Dmin but I'm not sure if "stretching" the chords was allowed.

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dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:11 am

I will change the log on for this site if we decide to use it and provide the details to whoever requests it.
There's no way I can control file deleting or renaming by those with the access password, so I'll keep a backup of all files on my HD. I can also expand the 200MB limit if needed.

/dave

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:12 am

Hi Ken! The only one I could here as a loop, was the bass one, all the others plays only one note. For instance, number seven, the last one, is a hat not, not a loop. The chords play such a short time, that I cannot even heard the tonality, they are very, very short.

I think they are dry enough; the only concern about this is not using reverbs and perhaps, delays.

I think joining the samples was the point, cos if not projects would be extremely hungry in resources.

Chords:
I think we have to let it free, lets use any chord as you want, which seemed to be the preferred choice, and that’s it, finally more creativity. Perhaps a bit disordered, but we’ll find our way using pitch correction features for instance, if needed.

When I proposed D minor was a matter of making things as simple as possible. I undoubtedly like too, the free way, the many chords.

Thanks Ken for your participation.

I’m going to be posting the final rules in short, today. I hope to be able to have a couple of hours to do so.

Cheers.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:46 am

Hi Ken! The only one I could here as a loop, was the bass one, all the others plays only one note. For instance, number seven, the last one, is a hat not, not a loop. The chords play such a short time, that I cannot even heard the tonality, they are very, very short.

I don't understand what you mean... I understand that the hit sound may be too short to be a loop. So no hit samples? I guessed it would come in handy at some point.

I also don't understand what you mean by "all the others play only one note" cuz the strings and the piano samples all play in a chord.. or were you refering to something else? And about the length.. was 4 measures too short? Is that what you mean by "they are very, very short"?

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