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slightly OT . Lufthansa has succesfully flown empty passenger jets over nth. Europe with no ill effects . The skies were closed down because of COMPUTER MODELLING . I really like computers but are we seeing a pattern here , maybe they should run a model and see
Paul

skwawks wrote:slightly OT . Lufthansa has succesfully flown empty passenger jets over nth. Europe with no ill effects . The skies were closed down because of COMPUTER MODELLING . I really like computers but are we seeing a pattern here , maybe they should run a model and see
Paul

yeah, and the plume doesn't show up on radar or any other sensing equipment. Bazaar.
Why not just fly under it?

G

Here's another fabulous piece

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 5855369469

Funny how almost every comment says the same thing, 2 percent of global HUMAN emissions from air-traffic is already tiny compared to the volcano. That 2% of human output being reduced by some percentage is smaller still, making the headline retarded. Great spin indeed.

I still find it interesting how polarizing this topic is, since I think aside from the agendas spinning this play into a polarized lense we still seem to mostly agree that noone has a clue what's in store for the future aside from varied weather & occasional natural catastrophes.

wayne wrote:Here's another fabulous piece

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 5855369469

almost as funny as the article I saw the other day that basically said that climate change caused the volcano to erupt.

The dome warms and blows, and melts ice, and they blame the eruption on the ice melting.

Either way, they're going to push through cap-n-trade - especially in Europe, so we'll be taxed because the volcano blew.

....and no, CO2 is not the issue. It's the fluoride and other chemicals that now threaten cattle.

...and yes, they have now admitted lying.

G

it's hard not to just be carried away with the flow and just allow rational thinking to fade away....

What we see for sure is that the global climate change deniers all hate scientists, the government and they love guns. Obviously these people are clinically paranoid.

sure, except my family has actual high level scientists/researchers in it, whom i love dearly, so you CAN'T call me a scientist hater...

...except for the scientists who fake data, i hate them, kinda....

braincell wrote:What we see for sure is that the global climate change deniers all hate scientists, the government and they love guns. Obviously these people are clinically paranoid.

I don't hate scientists, so stop squeezing people into your narrow view of the world.
Some of my best friends that I grew up with are now scientists at NOAA, GOES, and NASA - and they are now whistleblowers against the climate change zealots.
No guns here either, and I'm not paranoid, and not on any pharmaceutically induced fog.

I really only hate ignorance.

You can continue to buy into others' (now admitted) lies if you want to.

G

braincell wrote:What we see for sure is that the global climate change deniers all hate scientists, the government and they love guns. Obviously these people are clinically paranoid.

Another Brilliant statement from the Internet educated genius...
How about some more graphs you don't know how to read..

Yup it gets polarizing. As for the Volcano vs planes over europe issue, the estimated amount of CO2 emitted from the volcano varies between 150.000 to 300.000 metric tons pr day, while the average emission from planes in europe is somewhere between 400.000 - 500.000 metric tons pr day.

Of course not all flights over europe has stopped. But it might put things in the correct perspective.

Of course, if you can't prove things with science, just send in the Thought Police and you're sorted...

http://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/p ... -to-police

garyb wrote:the glacier melting problem isn't. i'm not worried.

Of course you aren't

I am afraid Jimmy seems to be a bit more forth thinking than you seem to be on this subject. IF Katla decides to blow, as is sort of way overdue, you should consider that parts of Katla is currently covered with up to 800 meters of snow and ice, which is a whole other scenario than a "naked" one (it will probably take more than 12 hours from a volcano erupts until it breaks the ice).

For the eruption itself is more dramatic as the ice will condensate, bringing the ashes farther up as it is "fueled" by the steam. The surrounding melted ice will have a drop of between 600-800 meters, before it reaches the steps beneath. an estimated flow of approx 200.000m3/s is expected, while it might reach up to 300.000 or even 400.000m3/s.

For a comparison, wikipedia states "the combined average discharge of the Amazon, Mississippi, Nile, and Yangtze rivers is about 266,000 m³/s (9.4 million cu ft/sec)."

But don't worry.

next to nothing wrote:
But don't worry.

Well there's fuck all any of us can do about it so why shorten your life and get grey hairs by worrying?

exactly.

and nevermind the bulge under the Antarctic that some say is melting ice from underneath.

Yeah, if any of the other two Volcanoes in Iceland go, then....

Main worry or concern is cattle and other food supply impact much more-so than atmospheric.

Don't worry though - more taxes will help plug the holes.

G

There are droves of researchers who are getting permission to set up camp in Iceland and really concentrate on what will be the major factor in future climate estimations.
Other Volcanos like Hawaii are of concern because of the Tsunami factor, but Icelands Volcano has the ability to really change the Atlantic current and the tempurature, and at the same time can emit enough Ash to block out the Sun.
It seems as though we have just enough extra ice melting to " regulate " the tempurature which in recent years has been too warm, which many believe is the reason for the last decades Hurricanes.
So this upcoming Hurricane season is being predicted to be mild.
Us puny little humans are never going to be able to control the C02 emmissions, or the un spoken disappations ( trees and plantlife & Ocean absorbtion rates ) that occur. Nor can we regulate the Atlantic current or its tempurature.
I assume Cap & Trade will pass becasue of the amount of taxes it will generate for the spending addicts in DC. Will the Planets tempurature change from paying these taxes.....??

do the best you can in life, while you can. there's nothing to be done about any of this. my guess is that these kinds of disasters have happened many times before, and will happen again, regardless of what we want or think. still, somehow, life goes on.

I believe through Prayer we can stop these catastrophes.
Like the Mullahs Of Iran are trying to convince the Worlds women to show less skin and avoid earthquakes, we at the Z should pray to our chosen diety.
Be it the UN, Jehovah, Zues, Allah, Obama, Holger.................or any of the rest of the Gods.