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Nestor wrote: You don’t realize it perhaps, but you want me to explain life through “your” vision and paradigms, which are not mine.

uh...that was actually his subject: that you are acting like a Massiah and wanne convince us ánd the rest of the world so badly of something.
That's great, you turn it around, just like that, haha

edit: sorry NtN, I went for my turn, but I couldn't resist

Nestor wrote:

hubird wrote:Don't believe everything from the net Nestor.
I found this in a split second:

Most ridiculous paradox in the world...

I'm glad you look happy.
I'm just sorry because there is no paradox in my post given the current conversation at the time.
Not at all.

If Fosfor Gambler is going to be a Guru for you, then you better be sure who he is and also is been seen as.
Never close your mind for new input...

I said there is no paradox.
Put the volume up if you use the speech function, capitals are not allowed.

Nestor wrote: I very seldom meet someone that really reflects my own thought and feeling like if it was my own mind thinking freely.

That's a shame.

Agenda 21 for Dummies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOF ... r_embedded#!

the real problem with these very real organizations' very real plans, is whether or not those who make and execute such plans really love each and every one of us. if they do, there's nothing to worry about. one thing to consider, is that the planners are basically the same crowd that set up the current system, which is a crowd made of people who obviously hate everyone but themselves(or this world would be pretty nice, paradise for almost everyone, since it's so full of great stuff!).

other than that, i trust them.

The atomic disaster will start in no time. Expect right away after it starts extremely hard restrictions in airports, streets control and restrictions for citizens, particularly rigid in Europe and the USA. Communication restrictions will follow for all kind of phones and devices with which you could normally communicate. The internet, unfortunately for all of us, will be very probably enclosed into a “very” restrictive use in which to get in you will have to have an ID that identifies you. And of course, forget about privacy as we know it today… They are going to try to enslave us all into a world dictatorship, but they will never succeed at it, never. People will prevail despite all their plans!

I would suggest a better kind of food nevertheless

It's getting extreme now...
Who or what site are you parroting Nestor?

You need help, if you ask me.

Nestor wrote:The atomic disaster will start in no time. Expect right away after it starts extremely hard restrictions in airports, streets control and restrictions for citizens, particularly rigid in Europe and the USA. Communication restrictions will follow for all kind of phones and devices with which you could normally communicate. The internet, unfortunately for all of us, will be very probably enclosed into a “very” restrictive use in which to get in you will have to have an ID that identifies you. And of course, forget about privacy as we know it today… They are going to try to enslave us all into a world dictatorship, but they will never succeed at it, never. People will prevail despite all their plans!

They? Their? Omg.
THEY??
EEEEEK!

The new great depression and the role of credit expansion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -woSJpg8E0

The effect that the past great depression had over the world, it is described here and it will be very much the same now, but deeper and longer:

http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf

The trick well explained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3 ... r_embedded

Spain:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... rkets.html

Words comming from the very top European financial regulator:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z20DUVlkSl

European-Style Debt Crisis Will Strike US:

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/sch ... ode=F6C5-1

Mr. Kenningham, senior global economist at Capital Economics reaction to the situation:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48121736

80% contraction in industrial activity:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/80-worlds ... ontracting

Lakshman Achuthan: "I think we're in recession already":

http://www.businessinsider.com/achuthan ... ady-2012-7

Chief economist Chris Williamson: "Companies are clearly preparing for worse to come":

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/02/news/ec ... d=HP_River


Red Alert - Global Systemic Crisis ahead:
http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-66-is-ava ... 11079.html

The buble is finally going to explode...

It would actually be interesting to know if you see the contradictions in your posts (not just the last one) and just let them pass, as in if you aren't able to or choose not to.

None of both.

It is very clear to me, there are no contradictions but in your vision.

You tend to see as “not understandable” anything that goes beyond your paradigms. If you don’t understand, it is because you are unable to see the whole picture, getting confused for a few links that distract you from the important thing... The links are pointing to a whole “something”, but the links are not this whole “something”. You keep staring at my finger I guess… that’s fine, but allow me to keep walking, bye…

yes, there's a serious crisis going on.
I've heard about it, in the news, since 2008.

Today I understood the world a bit more than before.

I thought that the Mayas hasn't disappeared and they had their plan.
That the world comes to an end on the 12/21 this year, is an interpretation only.

The Mayas were or are clever guys. The Mayas becomes Moodys, Bankers and such like, they follow their plan and will bring a change to the world.

Seriously,
I haven't contribute to this topic, but at this state I would like to add something.
Calm down a bit together, don't fight against each other because somebody has another opinion to the things surrounding him.
Therefore, tolerate and celebrate the words and thoughts you share together, enjoy the exchange.
If you x the power of n , in its smallest value, we are not better than this or that or those we dislike.

It's hard to discuss with a self declared Messiah...

not really.

Nestor may be a little extreme and overly dramatic, but that's only genuine concern for people. i'm sure that if there was a rational conversation, he'd participate rationally. he's actually bringing up very real and valid issues, but it's easier to call him a poopyhead than it is to acknowledge that there may be a big problem underlying our comfort.

as i said, i don't think that panic will help, either. i don't think that those who are up to no good will definitely succeed. i do know that the Agenda for the 21st Century is real because i've read the UN publications. Agenda 21 can be seen in all it's glory in the old movie "Soylent Green". aside from the lurid story, the reality that people lived in in that movie is EXACTLY like the world described in the Agenda for the 21st Century, people not allowed to live outside of "compacted cities", massive shortages and "population reduction". the British ten-year perspective in 2007 stated that Nuetron weapons would be used against populations who resisted. again, the FACT that official documents describe these practices does NOT mean that there are no other possible futures. it does mean that there is something real in these doomsday speculations.

even is these things are foolishness, there's nothing wrong with talking about them. a bigger foolishness would be to assume that those in charge would NEVER attack the general population. there are many of us here who are personally connected to the German government's decision less than 100 years ago to round up "undesirables", Jews, Gypsies, the mentally disabled, the physically disabled and homosexuals, put them in work camps, and later, death camps. it's also worth remembering things like the goes for the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks, the salting of fields in north Africa by the Romans, and so on. while they make make life nice for certain members of the human family, more often than not the people in charge have been the direct enemies of people while maintaining a human face.

we have so many luxuries and such an easy life in the 2k, that one doesn't want to make big waves and then upset the boat, but we can't allow even one human sacrifice to the gods or to greed either.

Calm down a bit together, don't fight against each other because somebody has another opinion to the things surrounding him.
Therefore, tolerate and celebrate the words and thoughts you share together, enjoy the exchange.
If you x the power of n , in its smallest value, we are not better than this or that or those we dislike.

That's great Chris this should be the way for everything. But it will not be unfortunately. If after so much talk and sincere communication some have chosen to keep fighting in the same ways as always, insulting, using discredit, twisting everything I could possibly write, etc., it is obvious that there will be no changes because there is a “close state of mind”. Nevertheless, don’t worry because there will be no fight. It is not possible to fight alone, you need someone else to fight with and I don’t exist for that, there is “emptiness” around here in that regard. I will keep walking my personal street without crossing to the other side for a fight. If there was a purpose for it at least, I probably would, but there is none here. Points of view are the way of intelligent people, arguments, reasons, but when someone gives you only discredits loud words and insults, it is because it is a child, and I don’t talk “men topics” with children.

Anyway, I would be glad for you to get into this train giving your opinions, as you are a free thinker as far as we have always communicated. I agree entirely that you cannot get angry with someone, just because it conceives things in a different way; it is such lack of finesse in understanding and considering other horizons.

The big question is: what if what this thread says becomes a crude reality?

What most amazes me in the outcome of this thread so far is to find out that someone I don’t want to mention has “willingly” become my personal slave, my personal puppet! It is amazing! Do I want slaves or puppets behind me? You bet, of course not I don’t want it! This person is a slave of all of my posts here because it keeps “reacting” and answering them all the time like crazy, he is ridiculously indentify, focused in discrediting my writings and has made of it a personal predicament, even if I post a picture, he answers to it... But well, what can I do if he wants to be a slave of his own basic anger and instinctive feelings? Not much! Just let it be. Which is sad, indeed, is that we could have had amazing insights so far, we could have used all this time to communicate and understand each other after many months of talking. This is masochism I guess, don’t know. Now, willingly becoming the salve of someone else? That’s is having a very poor emotional life! If I keep writing about these topics, it is because it is death serious for me, I DO believe everything I say, for me it is not a matter of competition, it is a crude reality that is upon us. The world is entering into a general crisis, amazing huge crisis, never seen in the history of mankind, THIS is a serious topic. How can we divert our attention to personal childish competitions when something like that is happening? I will keep walking fast and detached as I have always done. I will not be hypocritical saying that I don’t, now and then, feel a little sad for these misunderstandings and persecutions, I do sometimes, but this will never bring me to smash others for this anyway, no way, I will respect everyone in state, even if it hurts me a little sometimes, I prefer to hurt myself in state and that is the truth.

You are welcome Chris!

It's not only me saying you sound 'nuts'...

Here is a hint: When you sauce together anything ranging from an atomic war via biological engineering, 9/11 and how the banks run the world to the economic crisis, support it by statements from people claiming it would have been avoided by loaning billions of dollars more and investing in it biotech and genetic engineering, then a EU politician explaining how the banks will go bankrupt, thats fine with me.

Its when you blame it all on the Illuminati/New World Order (or whatever their name is these days) you lose me. But me for one is not angry, i see this on forums everywhere. I recognize what it is when one starts "quietly" with one common theory, which is quite normal, and is willing to discuss it. But then the person suddenly explodes in a plethora of loosly connected theories, not willing to weigh pros vs cons, skipping logical arguments just because they don't fit the bill, telling those who try to discuss they are slaves, brainwashed etc. Ask yourself this, is there one known conspiracy theory you DON'T believe in?

I'll take another break from this thread, it's just going in a loop.
Amen.