NAMM 2013

[jhulk]

dave smith said its osc are based on the prophet 8 and the evolver

as seeing the digital osc of the evolver are additive spectra from the prophet vs

and are able to load 128 samples single cycle spectra

i would think that the pro 12 would have this capability

he is using dsp for all this part but using the last revision cem filter chips from doug curtis before he died which he uses in all his synths and cem vca which are still produced as a stereo vca

as you can tell from the sound of it it sounds analog but also very digital along the lines of the poly evolver

it does amaze me though that he has kept it to a 2 filter system based on the cs80 when rather than opt for a pole mixing design of the matrix 12 which gives you 15 filters but also with multiplexing and voltage control you can get the 15 types to morph as done in the modular world

but the kingkorg is a synth thats trying to copy the solaris in its filter types when watching the video when they were going through the filters

people have seen the standard set for a synthesizer by solaris and now are trying to come up with similar va types synths

but if its anything to go by the build quality of dave smiths synths i hope he has fitted good quality pots as before those encoders were just crap

[neuromantik]

dave smith said its osc are based on the prophet 8 and the evolver

as seeing the digital osc of the evolver are additive spectra from the prophet vs

and are able to load 128 samples single cycle spectra

i would think that the pro 12 would have this capability

he is using dsp for all this part but using the last revision cem filter chips from doug curtis before he died which he uses in all his synths and cem vca which are still produced as a stereo vca

as you can tell from the sound of it it sounds analog but also very digital along the lines of the poly evolver

it does amaze me though that he has kept it to a 2 filter system based on the cs80 when rather than opt for a pole mixing design of the matrix 12 which gives you 15 filters but also with multiplexing and voltage control you can get the 15 types to morph as done in the modular world

but the kingkorg is a synth thats trying to copy the solaris in its filter types when watching the video when they were going through the filters

people have seen the standard set for a synthesizer by solaris and now are trying to come up with similar va types synths

but if its anything to go by the build quality of dave smiths synths i hope he has fitted good quality pots as before those encoders were just crap

Well the prototypes are all pot versions... And well DSI build quality since the encoder debacle has been pretty spot on. Anyhow I'm not bashing the Solaris, I think it's a masterpiece, but I'm just trying to judge the overlap between an Xite-1 + Solaris and an Xite-1 + P12, and see which combo will be the most gratifying... I just found out that the P12 is not planned to have the VS waveforms, nor does it have an audio in as the PEK does, which is unfortunate seeing as I wouldn't mind pumping some Prodyssey through those filters and kiss the sky Oh well still waiting on definitive specs seeing as they are not quite set in stone yet...

On an unrelated note, ever get a chance to extract those TG33 waveforms for Vectron?

[dawman]

Well I will get a P12 as I also want the SEM as I consider purchasing a Solaris, P12 or SEM as an investment in synthesis. These guys are developeing Niche products meant ofr realtime use, and superior sound quality, to not help them by supporting them means we will see more Windows and Apple synths which are great for hobbyists, but in the pressure and immediacy of live performance those Dogs won't Hunt.
For 3 large, that is a helluva synth, I have my sights set on it, as well as the SEM. These guys are the most experienced developers in modern synthesis, they MUST be supported.

Peace Out..

[petal]

ok, if you put it that way...

[dawman]

Glad you agree.
The reason we see such junk ass controllers at NAMM is because too many hobbyists whine on forums about having to bend over to pick up a dime, or complain that there's no space left in their bedrooms for such a big 88 noter.

So we end up getting half finsifhed, compromised products like the VAX77. The very BEST keybed I have seen for 2 decades, and then due to the snivelling hordes, we get only 76 notes........

This also is why we see the best keybeds in junk plastic shells with no controllers, and usually no PBend or MWheel as the overwhelming drone of whiny bitches drowns out the crowd with money to actually spend.

I cannot in good conscience, whine about price or production of such fine hardware synths, and won't even consider embarrassing myself asking for a discount, etc. These units are probably barely making a profit as is, and to discourage such taleneted developers into hiding by bleeding all over them cannot be allowed.

Sorry for my zealot style here, but I have seen 10 years of this type of reaction to hordes of cry babies, and have seen first hand the results.
I don't want anymore plastic pieces of shit from China, they have their uses, but it's a dangerous concpet to me as I fear the endless disposable trends might overtake the once proud quality builds we were accustomed to until the mid 2004-2010 years.

Where's the reports from GaryB and others........Damn-eee,
Chingalay Cabrones.

[jhulk]

i did full sample sets for my new up coming

dual vector synth based on pitch vector of the sy35 each one of the 4voices will be a seperate voice with its own pitch env filter+envelope vca+envelope

and a vector vca and a panning circuit and a stereo out each

a control matrix

all voice osc will be multisample osc the release of this synth will be with the release of some modules to the public in the future so youwillhave to wait a little

longer but you in for a treat on massive per-portions as control of it will be so much easier and with multi velocity layers at the moment i have been doing 8 velocity samples

but the problem do single cycle spectra from the sy22/33/35 is that the 2op fm osc can produce so many variations

and im doing lots of transient samples

and lots of new digital creations

im working on a massive 40gb library for the new synth and its pure modular so lots of control

synths being used are

korg dss1 with personal pcm samples
korg t1/t3ex with personal pcm samples
yamah sy99 using fm and personal pcmsamples
korgz1
korg 01w using new pcm data and waveshaping
korg trinity using personal pcm data
kawai k1
kawai k3 with user additive waves
kawai k5
kawai k5000r using all user additive waves mostly 6 layers
emu morpheus
emu audity
roland d550
roland d110
roland jd990
roland jv2080
evolution evs1
yamaha an1x
yamaha tx81z
yamaha ex5r
kurzweil k2000 with user pcm samples and vast
ensoniq asr10 user transwaves
ensoniq esq1/sq80
ensoniq sd-1
ensoniq ts10 with user transwaves
sequential prophet vs using user wavetables
davesmith evolver
oberhiem sem
oberhiem matrix12
oberhiem matrix1000
marion systems msr-2
memory moog
korg wavestation
korg ms2000 the dwgs waves all 64 i can do these as vectron waveforms
shruthi mission filter
gem s2 turbo
waldorf wave
waldorf uwave1
waldorf blofeld user wavetables
waldorf q
and a load of diy modular stuff patches

some vsti synths to analog tape


and loads of spectral stuff

these will all be done in akai format s1000 with multi layer support and will load into most vsti samplers and scope samplers

[t_tangent]

Jhulk, that sounds....Yummy

[jhulk]

my s1000 format files do not follow the same constricts as the original

being only 4 layers and only max of 32mb

i did a rhodes suitcase sample of the sustained sound in mono at upto 50 seconds long on the lower notes no loops

i did a sample for every note with 8 velocity layers

this multisample was in size 1gb

and it loads into the sample osc

so the new multisample osc has no limit apart from the 4gb limit of the 32 bit osc

but as long as the instruments keep with about 2gb max samples per patch everything is great

i dont know if any one tried my e-piano modular dev but im updating it to just use these multisample osc

[neuromantik]

Jhulk: Where can I buy this and any other packs that you have assembled? I'm a huge fan of 90s romplers and other PCM based synthesis like D50s and am totally in line with your inspirational hardware

[yayajohn]

So i guess the news from SC at NAMM this year is..? .......3 days down and one to go and not a peep oh well maybe we will hear some news next year. Seems like an awful long way to travel without anything to show eh?

[jhulk]

once the modules are released to the public i will release the synth

with a 3gb free library

and then will sell 5gb libraries

and will also take orders for libraries

im having a new web site built so they will be available from there

in the next few weeks i will be uploading

sound examples of my new pcm patches from the

t series and korg trinity and a load of asr10 transwaves

these will be available to load into this new modular synth

and will do examples of it

also have a massive collection of Russian synths

that i had the privileged of sampling recently

from a friend who i went round to service a synth for

i recorded them to 1" 2track master tape

and have to go through them and sample them in to my comp

and create keymaps i sampled them at every key

so i have a lot of work sorting them out

but there will be lots of content available

[dawman]

Count me in. I am getting Faxis' Samples too, mostly FX and stuff, but I plan on using Sample Oscillators and Modular the same way I use Solaris' Sample Oscillators.

Thanks,

Oh and an iPad message from my spy at NAMM about the P12, PX5 and of course this exquisite creature lurking around the Solaris booth as she stalks JBowen, Holger and GaryB...

[53E7]

jhulk,

Will the modules that you are designing to play your sample libraries be Scope devices? I'll check out the website you're building once you announce the URL. Sounds really cool!

[siriusbliss]

Jhulk...
Sounds great, but I think you should start your own thread so the discussion doesn't get lost!
Looking forward to using the sample library sometime.

****'
Anyways, SC has no budget for marketing, so we can only hope that one or more of the various publications stops by for a demo and interview.

Otherwise, the assumption is that an evolved Scope 6 and maybe ParseQ are being demo'd like they were at last years' NAMM (where they were still in very early development).

G

[dante]

Anyways, SC has no budget for marketing, so we can only hope that one or more of the various publications stops by for a demo and interview.

When you've got guys pumping out sounds like this :
https://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/distort ... ribboned-1
https://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/solaris-lead-bass-comp

THESE should pumping out of the stand's P.A. drawing visitors amazed by the sound. Who needs a marketing department or a funk band department. You need the imagination to take what's in the community and leverage it.

Otherwise, the assumption is that an evolved Scope 6 and maybe ParseQ are being demo'd like they were at last years' NAMM (where they were still in very early development). .

So, were S|C showing the more evolved bits?

[jhulk]

53e7

there not my modules but a fellow scope user sharc who is making them

very good modules and the control is excellent

im not the only person beta testing them

but the sample content i am doing

to show what these modules can do

with these latest modules with you imagination you can create any synth you want that can sound like hardware romplers

but with modular control and modulation that a lot of these romplers dont have

even my first beta synth the string thingy which is a very minimal synth sounds fantastic

and these are just single layer multisamples at every 3rd key sampled

you can have a sample for every key if you want

which means no pitch transpose

which is why kontcrapkt can sound good

but the quality of sound from scope sounds way better and the filters are better to

[yayajohn]

****'
Anyways, SC has no budget for marketing, so we can only hope that one or more of the various publications stops by for a demo and interview.

Otherwise, the assumption is that an evolved Scope 6 and maybe ParseQ are being demo'd like they were at last years' NAMM (where they were still in very early development).

G

understood. they are way too busy and short staffed, including Gary. And lets face it, any one of us from here going would probably be having too much fun to bother with video clips and pics. Sooo why not offer/lend a badge to any one of about a thousand of us Z'ers to be the Scope NAMM media. You pay your own way and hotel?
I'm not really sure the purpose of the whole NAMM experience. Seems like a time/place to announce new gear/stuff. So only professionals/vendors/manufacturers are invited which is cool I get it but then why the band in the booth if they're not using/promoting the vendors products? Why a band at all if you are only catering to a bunch of competitors? Why not just make an announcement from your home turf? Where's a clip of some hot keyboard player jamming up a storm on the Solaris instead of someone pressing a couple of notes and twisting a couple of knobs and asking a bunch of questions.

[Fluxpod]

So SC is showing the xite and a new Compressor plugin.
And some editor for the Solaris.

Thats not much.

Do they have any Display of Scope 6???

Soon,soon wont cut it anymore.

[dawman]

Learn Modular and avoid the wait.
I just built a great Expander / Limiter last night that mimics the awesome tricks used in the Manley SLAM. ( Thanks to Assaf Dars excellent Modular videos )
2 x seperately controllable slopes allow me to use my B2003 to emulate old recordings I have frothed over for decades.
The Hammond B3 using the lowest 3 drawbars on the upper manual, with the 5 1/4 drawbar at full (8) and 16'/8' at (7), percrussion at the 3rd with Saw Distortion and 100% KeyClick gives me the Sugarloaf Green Eyed Lady sound, but going to the full drawbar sound really drowns out the lower manual. In the studio, they used faders to minimize the jump in dynamics, but live I tried using LimFat, and DAS Brickwall, but could never get that expansion of lesser dynamics to match the levels of the full drawbars, but now I have the perfect solution and it's totally transparent.

To the Scope Warrior, trickery is his weapon........Modular.............a way of life.

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[Eanna]

Soon,soon wont cut it anymore.

As my mother would have said, Patience is a Virtue...

It's a thin line between overstretching yourself when money is tight, and pushing money into development in order to speed up the dev-test-release process.
It's up to us all to stay committed, and to keep a positive face on it all. I see the importance of that.
And, as was said, to support their efforts with some concrete demos of the gear. Something like the clips on dawman's soundcloud account, links to media on ScopeRise articles, and youtube links showing the gear in action. In effect, we can become part of the marketing of Scope - it is us that benefits from a strong S|C.

I cannot imagine that S|C doesn't know that we are anxious for progress! It must be frustrating for them too...

Dawman, great idea, postpone the wait by learning Modular
Can you post up a link to Assaf's videos?