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Niceboy, the term 'both ways' can refer to bisexuality if that's what your referring to.

Regards feedback, I have asked SC if it has any application in the digital world.

Because so far you've only established its use in the analog world.

If any effect can be achieved in DSP mathematically without the need to send output back to input, then that makes feedback redundant in a DSP context.

It's this last point in particular I notice that you have not addressed.

jhulk wrote:why is it that you have to take over a topic

i dont understand your reasoning but its tiresome

but you manage always what ever topic is being done you have to push your rubbish down our throats

and its the same nonsensical gibberish

The rules that have been made is broken

all the time here it seams , so its not me at all

If you dont understand is not the same thing ,

as some equality nonsence you now are describing

I am talking because I know something is right for me.

You dont know me so why do you want know that.

This an off topic thread

So everything I say is nonsence because you say so.

Thats not what an off topic thread is about in my world

It might be so that a lot of people disagree with you

I say that somewhere else I had one Guy on my side ,then one more.

Both started to understand that they wanted to use my way here.

They first attacked me like that , like you just did.

Then after a while he wanted to know how to do it

Thats why I am pushing my way a little bit

Bear

yes it is an off topic thread

it says it at the top

end of world

so what has that have todo with your feedback topic

nothing

thats the point i was trying to show you

that when a topic has been razed whether its in the off topic section

the person who started it expects the people to actually at least talk about the topic

as for me
on topic

i can see that the people who interpreted the Mayans information on the end of the world

where way off coarse and even films were made about it

with people taking the ideas that some people was spawning due to these prophetic writings

we were then having a laugh about it as we woke next day to be in a new universe with the same old shit

as the last universe and life was renewed

now as you can see the above is on topic

nothing to do with anything but the topic

now lets see if you can do the same

or do you not understand

we shall see in your next retort

Why send output back to input if it can be done in math ?

dante wrote:Niceboy, the term 'both ways' can refer to bisexuality if that's what your referring to.

Regards feedback, I have asked SC if it has any application in the digital world.

Because so far you've only established its use in the analog world.

If any effect can be achieved in DSP mathematically without the need to send output back to input, then that makes feedback redundant in a DSP context.

It's this last point in particular I notice that you have not addressed.

Thanks

I did not mean to make any bisexual comment.

If you thought so.

About feedback.

i dont really understand your question to me.

The new article I just posted is describing something new ,

and it can be so now that they dont know what Dawmans pics

described from drums mix with feedback using Solaris ,

that my friend Ralf was working on

They now desided to wait a little bit to tell what he told me.

Or they dont know.

We are doing whats described in the article about Black named as Amp ,

and much more than whats needed for drums.

I dont want to prove something we do that is very strong called amplifier,

but we do with help of Waves One Knob Plugin Totally digital.

In terms of the analoge point of view.

If you dont understand that the electrical signals ,

are moving in the same way as in analog gear.

The are riding on the electrical signals in the same way as in optical gear.

In Scope its obvious with the red connector lines.

To prove it mathematicaly , please thats why they have a new article about it now,

Almost noone knows it seems exept Jk superstar told me about the DC blocker,

That was 5 days ago I dont know.

I dont want to prove anything with math.

Its more that we make it work also inside Scope now.

Also if I am right which I know I am.

Then maybe Jk superstar can prove its working .

I dont have much time because I said this morning I schould start

To you I say you can try it later your self.

For Voice its really strong gain we get.

I dont really believe in discussions about that.

Amplification you will get I say ,when you start doing it.

Bear

dante wrote:Why send output back to input if it can be done in math ?

The one who said that is wrong.

Think about it as it is then .

When you send the signal back into itself

Thats the amplification because its a circuit.

You have to do it or send it there.

Its more fysical than math can do.

Its as strong as you want in trains with high Voltage.

Just do it dont just talk and analyse.

We are doing it in Scope period.

Bear

niceboy wrote:About feedback. i dont really understand your question to me.

Question is simple. In any audio chain, you have an input signal and an output signal.

In the analog world, you can 'reinforce' a vocal signal using a feedback circuit, like you say in the broadcasting industry. No argument there, we all agree feedback is a useful thing here.

In the digital world, the same could be achieved by applying mathematics to the input to get the same output. That is, the sound is reinforced the same way.

The DSP programmer has just applied a mathematical formula to the input to achieve the same output.

The DSP programmer does this with maths and has no need to send the output back into the input to achieve this.

So, my question is, if in the digital world we can achieve any effect by applying math to the input signal, then why would there be a need to send the output back into the input ?

dante wrote:

niceboy wrote:About feedback. i dont really understand your question to me.

Question is simple. In any audio chain, you have an input signal and an output signal.

In the analog world, you can 'reinforce' a vocal signal using a feedback circuit, like you say in the broadcasting industry. No argument there, we all agree feedback is a useful thing here.

In the digital world, the same could be achieved by applying mathematics to the input to get the same output. That is, the sound is reinforced the same way.

The DSP programmer has just applied a mathematical formula to the input to achieve the same output.

The DSP programmer does this with maths and has no need to send the output back into the input to achieve this.

So, my question is, if in the digital world we can achieve any effect by applying math to the input signal, then why would there be a need to send the output back into the input ?

You say so that they say that.
It becomes then almost like religion then
Until they have done a plugin thats doing that,
or mixer I deside to use the Scope mixer to do it.
I deside to continue to make the actual real feedback.
Now with really strong gain.
I must turn down the gain,
to avoy to blow the speaker out.
The highest we have used is 55.
I have to deside then that ,
I will not buy your math feedback .
Where is it
Scope MIxer is good enough for us.
Plugin with math ???
Sorry I must eat now

Nestor wrote:THIS is what you have to stop, SEE? Got it now? Or will you will manage again to talk about BX and SPL?

i am truly sorry .
Not a Word about them ok.
Bear

jhulk wrote:yes it is an off topic thread

it says it at the top

end of world

so what has that have todo with your feedback topic

nothing

thats the point i was trying to show you

that when a topic has been razed whether its in the off topic section

the person who started it expects the people to actually at least talk about the topic

as for me
on topic

i can see that the people who interpreted the Mayans information on the end of the world

where way off coarse and even films were made about it

with people taking the ideas that some people was spawning due to these prophetic writings

we were then having a laugh about it as we woke next day to be in a new universe with the same old shit

as the last universe and life was renewed

now as you can see the above is on topic

nothing to do with anything but the topic

now lets see if you can do the same

or do you not understand

we shall see in your next retort

No I dont .

I want to be nice the Japanese thread starter now

I explain like this I make now a national off topic

To the Japanese Guy I think wrote it

Thank you for the Japan V-Drums production by Roland.

In the same time of the catastrophe ,

in the beginning of this or maybe last year

Sorry I dont remember.

We got the latest version delivered here to us then.

Before anyone else including Shops here.

Maybe because we are a Companie as well as shops are.

Thank you very much for that.

We are using them

together with our real drums.

Using Toon Tracks Live version here.

in 128 Channels RME HDSPe MADI setup,

going into Scope.

That will be good sales to bands ,

and Stock Market as well I hope.

Thanks again

Roland and Remo

Happy New Year

BEAR

niceboy wrote:Plugin with math ??? Sorry I must eat now

All plugins are math. That's what DSP (native or dedicated DSP) does. Math.

About a month ago i swore that i wouldnt check planetz daily..... but now i cant stop myself from going here a couple of times a day just to follow this "interesting" thread! Did anybody write the admin yet?

dante wrote:

niceboy wrote:Plugin with math ??? Sorry I must eat now

All plugins are math. That's what DSP (native or dedicated DSP) does. Math.

Yes maybe but the electrical signal has to be like exactly whats inside the Fat S.
The manual says 10 decibel I think,
When you take that in both incoming and the feedback channel.
It works in Maserati but just not enough gain,
and too much latency .
I say like this instead.
The feedback has to be made on low level for Amp,
There has to be serial pugin gain after feedback .
Thats it , and there is no doubt about that.
More than one plugin I would say.
The purpose with Amp in the mixer is the super exact mixing set and Max Volym there.
Take it or leave it ,
You can do the mix exactly as you want.
Also one thing more ,is that when you kill distortion quite a lot.
The sound of distortion is changed to very nice distortion
For example Hard Rock Distortion

Bear

Hey guys, please don’t overflow John with posts and reports, he has stated he has not much time for Planet Z. It would be unfair to raise problems in the middle of holidays anyway.

I propose you the following:

All those in favor of complaining against niceboy, write in here the phrase “I will participate”, and then all names will be summarized into a single mail to John so he will decide what to do. But don’t write to John these days, let him in peace for the moment, and wait until next year.

Thank you guys

I will participate

!!! I will participate !!!

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I banned him from my forum too...

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